Tom Delay: People Are Unemployed Because They Want To Be

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by als463

There are jobs out there. Some people just don't want to "lower" themselves to do them.

Yep. I agree. As I was driving home today, I drove past Burger King and there was a "Now Hiring" sign out in front. I mean, I know it's flipping burgers for pennies, but at least it's a temporary job until you get something else.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Yep. I agree. As I was driving home today, I drove past Burger King and there was a "Now Hiring" sign out in front. I mean, I know it's flipping burgers for pennies, but at least it's a temporary job until you get something else.

Except for the people who can't get the job for a number of reasons.

Besides, if you've never done a monthly budget before, here goes:

Burger King check: W
Monthly bills: X
Unforeseen monthly costs: Y
Money left for checking and/or savings and/or line of credit and/or wealth building program: Z

Good luck.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Except for the people who can't get the job for a number of reasons.

Besides, if you've never done a monthly budget before, here goes:

Burger King check: W
Monthly bills: X
Unforeseen monthly costs: Y
Money left for checking and/or savings and/or line of credit and/or wealth building program: Z

Good luck.

There's always two jobs, I'm sure. And what's so hard about getting a job at Burger King?

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

And what's so hard about getting a job at Burger King?

Hmm did you not read this entire thread. Those kinds of jobs very often do not hire people with degrees.

[dreamseeker]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Hmm did you not read this entire thread. Those kinds of jobs very often do not hire people with degrees.

lol, idk why you (and anyone else for that matter) even try anymore. i just gave up and am on the ride for the trainwreck

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by dreamseeker

lol, idk why you (and anyone else for that matter) even try anymore. i just gave up and am on the ride for the trainwreck

True dat.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Hmm did you not read this entire thread. Those kinds of jobs very often do not hire people with degrees.

Yeah, I read that part, and the part about "dumbing down" the resume, and I agree, but there's more than just those places that will hire people with degrees. I mean, I would just tell the person who was interviewing me that I want to make a career out of it or something. One of my classmates works for Panera Bread while she attends vet school, and I have another friend who I go to school with who works at Block Buster part time, while she goes to vet school. They both have four year degrees. So, it's not like it never happens, Vito.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

So, it's not like it never happens, Vito.

None of us said it never happens. Most of the people in this thread have worked a temporary job while in college and/or graduate school.

On that note, graduate students who aren't employed within their fields have always found temporary jobs to put them through school. That's nothing new. That doesn't mean it will work across all contexts, and that context is what we're trying to get you all to acknowledge.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

None of us said it never happens. Most of the people in this thread have worked a temporary job while in college and/or graduate school.

On that note, graduate students who aren't employed within their fields have always found temporary jobs to put them through school. That's nothing new. That doesn't mean it will work across all contexts, and that context is what we're trying to get you all to acknowledge.

o.k. DrPhil, I understand that and I agree with you, but if you don't work, you don't eat. I mean, I could see if someone lived with relatives or something while they look for jobs, but for those who aren't as fortunate, let's see how fast they get a job when they get hungry, and become homeless.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Yeah, I read that part, and the part about "dumbing down" the resume, and I agree, but there's more than just those places that will hire people with degrees. I mean, I would just tell the person who was interviewing me that I want to make a career out of it or something. One of my classmates works for Panera Bread while she attends vet school, and I have another friend who I go to school with who works at Block Buster part time, while she goes to vet school. They both have four year degrees. So, it's not like it never happens, Vito.

They have four year degrees that don't mean shit without an advanced degree. That's not the same thing.

There's a HUGE difference between food service/retail/etc jobs hiring STUDENTS (who they are well aware will be out the door Seymour the minute the ink on their diploma is dry) for evenings/weekends and hiring people full time who have been in the work force for a while who are just applying there because they can't get anything better. The second category, you kind of hate to put the time into them because you really don't know if they're going to stay or not. They are the kind of people who would make great management material but half the time the minute they get that responsibility, something better comes along and they bolt. (I'm saying this from the POV of close friends of mine who are retail managers.)

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by 33girl

They have four year degrees that don't mean shit without an advanced degree. That's not the same thing.

There's a HUGE difference between food service/retail/etc jobs hiring STUDENTS (who they are well aware will be out the door Seymour the minute the ink on their diploma is dry) for evenings/weekends and hiring people full time who have been in the work force for a while who are just applying there because they can't get anything better. The second category, you kind of hate to put the time into them because you really don't know if they're going to stay or not. They are the kind of people who would make great management material but half the time the minute they get that responsibility, something better comes along and they bolt. (I'm saying this from the POV of close friends of mine who are retail managers.)

True, but I still think that if you want something bad enough, you'll do something about it, especially if you have other mouths to feed. No offense to anyone on here, but I'll bet there are some people who are unemployed (in general) and are complaining about not being able to find a job, blaming it on the economy, but yet are on facebook chatting with friends, rather than looking for a job.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Yeah, I read that part, and the part about "dumbing down" the resume, and I agree, but there's more than just those places that will hire people with degrees. I mean, I would just tell the person who was interviewing me that I want to make a career out of it or something. One of my classmates works for Panera Bread while she attends vet school, and I have another friend who I go to school with who works at Block Buster part time, while she goes to vet school. They both have four year degrees. So, it's not like it never happens, Vito.

Ah yes - while in vet school. That's the thing. They know they have you for X amount of years. And if you have only one semester or so left, forget about it.

I worked retail while in Grad School, too. When I was unemployed after Grad School I tried to go back to Target - no dice.

[DrPhil]

Not only the degrees themselves, but there is also a such thing as "cultural capital."

Some people will be seen as a good fit for a Burger King somewhere (for a nonmanagement position). Other people will be very transparent when management sees them and talks to them. The person can pretend that he or she does not have a college degree (or beyond), but that doesn't mean the act will go that far.

It CAN work for the time being, but (since we were talking about advice) some employers, temp agencies, and career professionals advise people to forego certain types of jobs and focus on building your marketable skills, social networks, and relatable career traits. They posit that you CAN work low wage labor do barely make ends meet or you can pull a "Pursuit of Happyness." That means that you delay the economic gratification of a low paying job (if you and your family can withstand the economic strife for a while) to pursue something with more longterm benefits.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Yep. I agree. As I was driving home today, I drove past Burger King and there was a "Now Hiring" sign out in front. I mean, I know it's flipping burgers for pennies, but at least it's a temporary job until you get something else.

Please apply and see if you get hired with a bachelor's degree and almost through vet school. Maybe then you'll realize what people have been saying in this whole thread.

Now I need to go back and finish the umpteen million pages you guys burned through last night.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by agzg

Please apply and see if you get hired with a bachelor's degree and almost through vet school. Maybe then you'll realize what people have been saying in this whole thread.

I don't need to apply. During my rotations, my income comes through my vending machines, plus during the summer, I work at the regular vet clinic, where I've always worked.

I just think people are making up so many excuses as of "why I can't" instead of doing whatever it takes to make something happen. When my dad passed away in 2006, he and my mom had been putting money aside for me to go to vet school, so when I graduate I wouldn't have any loans to pay back. I also knew that once I started my rotations, I wasn't going to be able to work part time, so during the summer months I started saving for a vending machine, and the money I made from that one, I bought another one, and so on. I have 5 of them now. They pay all of my bills and add more income to what I already have during the summer months. I just think there's always a way to make things happen.