Tom Delay: People Are Unemployed Because They Want To Be

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by als463

Well, when Knight_Shadow asked what I had done with myself, I told him. I was showing that you can find a job if you really-really try. To sit there and say that "success at finding a job when you graduated from college in 2007 doesn't necessarily mean much," seems to go against this whole thread, doesn't it? You have people on here complaining that they attempted to find jobs as recent college graduates, but couldn't fnd a job. Then, there were people saying that they were "over-qualified" for jobs because of their college degrees, yet you think that finding a job right away is not a success?

Considering many people are talking about having trouble finding a job, I think it is very successful. To get technical, I graduated college in 2004 with my A.A., so I find it very successful to have worked up until I decided to go back to school. I put out tons of applications, so I realize the hard time people may have finding a job, but if you aren't willing to put out (at least 20 resumes a week) all over the place when you have been unemployed for more than a year, then you aren't trying that hard, in my eyes.

I think you're missing the point.

Many people are putting out 20 resumes A DAY. You can't force someone to give you a callback, though. It's not that people aren't trying -- employers aren't giving them a chance.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by als463

I don't think it puts you out of touch with reality if you suggest that people look at alternative options. It took me 2 weeks to find a job, only after sending out 40+ resumes. That is what it took. Did I enjoy sending them out, only to hear that I was "over-qualifed" or not qualifed enough? No. That sucked.

Once I graduated college, I took a job as a caseworker. I made about $19,000 a year, once taxes were deducted. Instead of going on Spring Break my senior year of college, I chose to take my week and head over to the State Capitol to take every civil service exam for which I qualifed. It paid off. Sure, I made horrible money. I loved my job, though. Then I went back for my Masters.

As I worked on my Masters, I left my full-time job and worked for about $7.00/ hr. (part-time, so I could attend graduate school full-time) while being talked down to by people with far less education than me (some who had no degree, at all) to make ends meet. That job was horrible. I hated how rude people were and catty some of my co-workers were. I did my job, and I left. No less, no more. I was "over-qualified" for the job, but I was hired to work part-time because I was honest with the employer letting them know that I was going to school full-time.

My employers have been impressed with my resume and all the things I have done because even when I wasn't working, I was doing community service and doing things with my GLO as an Alumna.

I'm not saying it is easy, but I feel like people are really ripping Kevin a part because he thinks some people may not be trying very hard.

To Knight_Shadow, if you couldn't find a job and the only thing being offered was a military position, if you don't take it (and you are qualified for it) then that is your fault for not doing what you need to do in order to make a living. My uncle, a college professor, always told me that he didn't believe people (in this day and age) had ANY excuse for not having a college degree because if they were able-bodied, they could join the military and apply for loans if that is what it took. Do you think I LOVED being in the military? Nope. I did it, though. If you have kids (which I don't, yet) then you have to set aside your pride and take what comes your way.

als,

I want to say thank you for sticking up for Kevin the way you did. I think you helped explain the points he was trying to make very well. I also thought he got needlessly flamed, then again, I fully understood, and I daresay, agree with what he was trying to convey, though he didn't make it very clear, and I think that was why he got flamed.

As for your post here, it serves as a testimony to your tenacity and commitment to find and maintain work. Working a crappy job you can't stand takes a lot of guts and a lot of heart. Been there, done that. And yes, I am also without a job, per se; I'm starting a consulting firm. What am I doing in the meantime?

What else! Street accounting, hey sometimes I have to take it to the streets, literally: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfcZpAVXfew

[als463]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I'm saying the same thing that knight_shadow said.

No. You really aren't. If you are college-educated, and you put out applications everywhere, you will eventually find something. I knew people who were caseworkers with me that had degrees in agriculture, recreational park management, etc. and they were willing to take the civil service test and become caseworkers.

People are on here complaining that they can't find jobs, and when I say that I found jobs, you find a way to tell me that I'm not successful for getting something that other people are saying that can't get. I don't feel like you are trying to be constructive, I think you are trying to find something wrong with what I say, so you can have something flippant to say.

I consider myself very successful. I also realize that if I wasn't willing to take a major pay-cut and get some job to pay my bills, that was my fault. Had I not joined the military when I was able-bodied (but unemployed), that would have been my fault, but I joined at 17, so I didn't really worry about that. Being unemployed sucks. I get that. What I don't get is people going on GC and name-calling Kevin and people who agree with him. By telling someone that they have gnats for brains because they agree with him is pretty immature.

[als463]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

als,

I want to say thank you for sticking up for Kevin the way you did. I think you helped explain the points he was trying to make very well. I also thought he got needlessly flamed, then again, I fully understood, and I daresay, agree with what he was trying to convey, though he didn't make it very clear, and I think that was why he got flamed.

As for your post here, it serves as a testimony to your tenacity and commitment to find and maintain work. Working a crappy job you can't stand takes a lot of guts and a lot of heart. Been there, done that. And yes, I am also without a job, per se; I'm starting a consulting firm. What am I doing in the meantime?

What else! Street accounting, hey sometimes I have to take it to the streets, literally: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfcZpAVXfew

Thanks KAPital! Good luck with finding a job that you love. Sure, you might have to take something crappy, at first-but I know you'll eventually find something you want to do. Also, I think that shows a lot of commitment and tenacity to start a consulting firm in this economy. That takes a lot more guts! Good Luck!

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by als463

No. You really aren't. If you are college-educated, and you put out applications everywhere, you will eventually find something. I knew people who were caseworkers with me that had degrees in agriculture, recreational park management, etc. and they were willing to take the civil service test and become caseworkers.

People are on here complaining that they can't find jobs, and when I say that I found jobs, you find a way to tell me that I'm not successful for getting something that other people are saying that can't get. I don't feel like you are trying to be constructive, I think you are trying to find something wrong with what I say, so you can have something flippant to say.

I consider myself very successful. I also realize that if I wasn't willing to take a major pay-cut and get some job to pay my bills, that was my fault. Had I not joined the military when I was able-bodied (but unemployed), that would have been my fault, but I joined at 17, so I didn't really worry about that. Being unemployed sucks. I get that. What I don't get is people going on GC and name-calling Kevin and people who agree with him. By telling someone that they have gnats for brains because they agree with him is pretty immature.

On the contrary -- You (and Kevin, for that matter) were very lucky to find jobs that quickly. I think the fact that you were able to secure employment so soon has jaded you. There are MANY people who have the drive and ambition who just can't get a break.

ETA: Your post mentions your colleagues that changed industries and secured jobs as caseworkers. Again, this is an option, but it doesn't always work. If you have 5 years experience as, say, a financial analyst, starting over as a caseworker is not that easy. For one, the way that you approach work is VASTLY different. Your work experience also doesn't compliment that industry.

I think the point that everyone is trying to get across is that it's not as cut-and-dry as some might think it is.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by als463

No. You really aren't.

Yes, I am. Finding a job fresh out of college in 2007 means nothing (in the context of the present recession and discussion in this thread).

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

FYI -- 2007 =/= late 2008-2010. The country was not in the same state at that point in time.

And salary history makes a difference. Many employers now ask for salary history. Even if you leave off your additional degrees, the amount of money that you've made in the past makes a difference.

There, I spelled it out for you. You're welcome.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I think the point that everyone is trying to get across is that it's not as cut-and-dry as some might think it is.

That should really go without saying but has been said for pages.

If these people REALLY agree with Kevin's tone and overall message then all of my posts to him also apply to them.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

That should really go without saying but has been said for pages.

If these people REALLY agree with Kevin's tone and overall message then all of my posts to him also apply to them.

It SHOULD go without saying, but you know how it is...

[als463]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Yes, I am. Finding a job fresh out of college in 2007 means nothing (in the context of the present recession and discussion in this thread).



There, I spelled it out for you. You're welcome.

Apparently you didn't read the rest of my post. I'm shocked by that considering you complain when other people don't go back and read. I said I also found a job in 2008 and then in 2009, while working on my Masters.

So, considering that it is only a few months in to 2010, I'm not fresh out of college and that was during the present recession. Don't try telling me that finding a job fresh out of college, or within the last few years is something I shouldn't be proud of. It seems as though you are just trying to find a reason to argue with me.

As far as caseworkers go, anyone can do that-if they choose. You must be willing to take the horrible pay, but regardless of what your major is, you can do it. A lot of children, elderly, etc. need people who are educated and willing to advocate for them. There are tons of jobs in human services fields (and I don't mean McDonald's).

Neither one of my parents has a college degree. My mother works for the state and my father works for the federal government. My boyfriend's brother, who is wheel-chair bound, works for the county. My boyfriend's step-mother (once again, someone with no college degree) works for a major hospital in my area. I have a college degree and many of my friends have college degrees. Between friends who have college degrees and those who never attended college, all are employed. Do they make the best money? No. Do they love their jobs? Not really. The truth is, they are doing what they need to do in order to pay their bills.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

*Dead*

I can haz signature, please?

That's freaking ridiculous. RIDICULOUS! You leave someone else in your signature for weeks and weeks and weeks, but when it's me, I only get a DAY! WHAT TO THE FUCK!

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by agzg

That's freaking ridiculous. RIDICULOUS! You leave someone else in your signature for weeks and weeks and weeks, but when it's me, I only get a DAY! WHAT TO THE FUCK!

Sic em!

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by agzg

That's freaking ridiculous. RIDICULOUS! You leave someone else in your signature for weeks and weeks and weeks, but when it's me, I only get a DAY! WHAT TO THE FUCK!

Happy now!? lol

[agzg]

You didn't get it right.

It's "Shit the bed" or "Fudge your undies."

By the way.... you've reaaaaaaaaaaaaaally fudged your undies now!

ETA: "She works haaaaaaard for the funny (hard, hard, hard for the funny) so haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard for it honey (hard, hard, hard for it honey) she works HARD for the funny so you better treat her right! (so right!)"

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by agzg

You didn't get it right.

It's "Shit the bed" or "Fudge your undies."

By the way.... you've reaaaaaaaaaaaaaally fudged your undies now!

Gawwwwd...picky picky...

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by agzg

That's freaking ridiculous. RIDICULOUS! You leave someone else in your signature for weeks and weeks and weeks, but when it's me, I only get a DAY! WHAT TO THE FUCK!

You mad?