Tom Delay: People Are Unemployed Because They Want To Be

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Except for the people who can't get the job for a number of reasons.

Besides, if you've never done a monthly budget before, here goes:

Burger King check: W
Monthly bills: X
Unforeseen monthly costs: Y
Money left for checking and/or savings and/or line of credit and/or wealth building program: Z

Good luck.

There's always two jobs, I'm sure. And what's so hard about getting a job at Burger King?

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by epchick

Why so then you could make fun of them like you do the people from "Taco Hell," "Scrubway" and claim they don't have ambition in life?

No, so they can bring in some kind of income even it takes working two jobs. I also said temporary, not permanent. Unless it's a company they want to work for and make a career out of. Making fries forever and not moving up or doing anything else equals no ambition. No ambition means no ambition to do NOTHING else but that.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

And what's so hard about getting a job at Burger King?

Hmm did you not read this entire thread. Those kinds of jobs very often do not hire people with degrees.

[dreamseeker]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Hmm did you not read this entire thread. Those kinds of jobs very often do not hire people with degrees.

lol, idk why you (and anyone else for that matter) even try anymore. i just gave up and am on the ride for the trainwreck

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by als463

As far as caseworkers go, anyone can do that-if they choose. You must be willing to take the horrible pay, but regardless of what your major is, you can do it. A lot of children, elderly, etc. need people who are educated and willing to advocate for them.

I'm going to stop you right here and right now and I REALLY don't give a flying fart on toast what you think about what I am about to say.

I AM A FUCKING SOCIAL WORKER, I HAVE DONE THIS SHIT FOR OVER 12 YEARS!

THE "MAGICAL JOBS" THAT YOU SAY ARE OUT THERE FOR CASEWORKERS, AREN'T! DUH, DUH, DUH!

YOU NEED TO JUST SIT DOWN AND JUST STOP BECAUSE YOU ARE BOUND AND DETERMINED TO HURT YOURSELF IF YOU CONTINUE! YOUR LIMITED KNOWLEDGE ABOUT BEING A CASEWORKER OR A SOCIAL WORKER IS PATHETIC AT BEST AND STUPID AT WORST!

I STUDIED THIS SHIT FOR 5 AND 1/2 YEARS AND I HAVE BEEN SPECIFICALLY TRAINED TO DO THIS SHIT BACKWARDS, FORWARDS, UPSIDE DOWN, DOWN SIDE UP, TO THE RIGHT AND TO THE LEFT, AND GOING IN AT IT ON A DIAGONAL BASIS.

THE "MAGICAL JOBS" THAT YOU REPORT TO BE THERE WITHIN CASEWORK AREN'T THERE! DUH! DUH! DUH!

WHAT IN THE FLYING SQUIRREL FUCK DO YOU THINK THAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIND A JOB IN---ENGINEERING OR AS A NEUROLOGIST? HUH? I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR A JOB IN SOCIAL WORK/CASE WORK/CASE MANAGEMENT FOR THE LAST 2 YEARS AND HAVEN'T FOUND ONE!

SO PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY IN WAR OF WITCHCRAFT, WHERE OH WHERE ARE THOSE CASEWORKING JOBS? HUH?

PLEASE TELL ME WHERE?

As far as being a Social Worker, duh, most that are in those jobs understand what a RECESSION is and they are going to...KEEP THOSE BLOOD SUCKING JOBS UNTIL THE MOLE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THEIR ASS FALLS OFF!

People within those jobs ain't just trying to give it up to give me a job and that's the truth Ruth! (Do the Right Thing, Spike Lee)

Caseworkers know that we are TERMINALLY UNDERPAID, TERMINALLY OVERWORKED, AND HORRENDOUSLY OVERSTAFFED, usually with 100 to 150 cases per caseworker. But you do this job because of a) the love of Social Work and it's core values, b) the desire to HONESTLY help others and c) because hell we NEED a job just like the next fellow.

I can tell you that when 1 position opens up, 300 applicants apply at once. This information came directly from my cousin who works for CPS!

SO DON'T SIT UP HERE AND TELL ME THAT THOSE "MAGICAL CASEWORKER" JOBS ARE JUST OUT THERE FOR ME TO GET BECAUSE THAT'S LYING TO YOUR OWN SELF AND TRYING TO PASS OFF YOUR "MAGICAL THINKING" TO ME!

Don't try to sit up here a con me because you can't, I know the game sweetie and in your delusional state, you are bound to hurt yourself if you decide to continue.

Originally Posted by als463

There are tons of jobs in human services fields (and I don't mean McDonald's).

So to correct you, you are WRONG and in my book (as you have stated), you fail!

Originally Posted by als463

Between friends who have college degrees and those who never attended college, all are employed. Do they make the best money? No. Do they love their jobs? Not really. The truth is, they are doing what they need to do in order to pay their bills.

So just what in the holy hell do you think I am trying to do?

[xp2k]

Originally Posted by als463

Are you employed?

you asking this question alone proves that you have a different opinion of the people that you are giving your wise advice to.

If I were unemployed, would that change my logic? or the value of my opinion?

If I were employed, would that change my logic? or the value of my opinion?

you asking this question is really pointless, other than to validate your own glass argument.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Hmm did you not read this entire thread. Those kinds of jobs very often do not hire people with degrees.

Yeah, I read that part, and the part about "dumbing down" the resume, and I agree, but there's more than just those places that will hire people with degrees. I mean, I would just tell the person who was interviewing me that I want to make a career out of it or something. One of my classmates works for Panera Bread while she attends vet school, and I have another friend who I go to school with who works at Block Buster part time, while she goes to vet school. They both have four year degrees. So, it's not like it never happens, Vito.

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by als463

If you are given the option to join the military, send out x amount of resumes, do a job you are "over-qualified" for, or do something you don't exactly "love" or feel "passionate" about and you turn it down, then I agree with the article that SOME people (not all) are unemployed because they want to be-not in the sense that people wake up and say, "Wow, I love being unemployed," but in the sense that they have been given options, yet chose to ignore them. There are jobs out there. Some people just don't want to "lower" themselves to do them.

Aaawwww sweetie, it ain't that I don't want to "lower" myself to do these magical jobs, it's just that these "lower" jobs aren't allowing me to come in the door to them!

[DrPhil]

Not only the degrees themselves, but there is also a such thing as "cultural capital."

Some people will be seen as a good fit for a Burger King somewhere (for a nonmanagement position). Other people will be very transparent when management sees them and talks to them. The person can pretend that he or she does not have a college degree (or beyond), but that doesn't mean the act will go that far.

It CAN work for the time being, but (since we were talking about advice) some employers, temp agencies, and career professionals advise people to forego certain types of jobs and focus on building your marketable skills, social networks, and relatable career traits. They posit that you CAN work low wage labor do barely make ends meet or you can pull a "Pursuit of Happyness." That means that you delay the economic gratification of a low paying job (if you and your family can withstand the economic strife for a while) to pursue something with more longterm benefits.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

So, it's not like it never happens, Vito.

None of us said it never happens. Most of the people in this thread have worked a temporary job while in college and/or graduate school.

On that note, graduate students who aren't employed within their fields have always found temporary jobs to put them through school. That's nothing new. That doesn't mean it will work across all contexts, and that context is what we're trying to get you all to acknowledge.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by dreamseeker

lol, idk why you (and anyone else for that matter) even try anymore. i just gave up and am on the ride for the trainwreck

True dat.

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by als463

As far as caseworkers go, anyone can do that-if they choose. You must be willing to take the horrible pay, but regardless of what your major is, you can do it. A lot of children, elderly, etc. need people who are educated and willing to advocate for them. There are tons of jobs in human services fields (and I don't mean McDonald's).

Let me get serious with you on this point, you're sadly, sadly, sadly wrong!

Not many people can handle being called out of their name along with their name on a daily basis.
Not everyone can handle 10 different supervisors, each wanting something different from you, all at once.
Not everyone can handle being hit by a client and NOT being able to hit them back!
Not everyone can handle being spit upon by a client and NOT being able to slap the living shit outta them.
Not everyone can handle the amount of paperwork it takes to be a caseworker.
Not everyone can handle dealing with addicts.
Not everyone can handle dealing with those that have mental health, and I mean SERIOUS, mental health issues.
Not everyone can handle dealing with the aged, diseased, or depraved.
Not everyone can handle dealing with sex offenders, rapists, abusers (m and f), or deal with victims of abuse.
Not everyone can handle the late hours, pay, or even the phone within social agencies.
Not everyone can handle a tedious and insane and abundent amount of paperwork that it takes on a daily basis.
Not everyone can deal with doing monthly reports, weekly reports, or even understand why they have to do the same report 15 different ways for 3 different people.

Just like the military, teaching, or health professions aren't for everyone, neither is the human services field!

I am so sorry if you think that it is possible, but it just ain't so.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

None of us said it never happens. Most of the people in this thread have worked a temporary job while in college and/or graduate school.

On that note, graduate students who aren't employed within their fields have always found temporary jobs to put them through school. That's nothing new. That doesn't mean it will work across all contexts, and that context is what we're trying to get you all to acknowledge.

o.k. DrPhil, I understand that and I agree with you, but if you don't work, you don't eat. I mean, I could see if someone lived with relatives or something while they look for jobs, but for those who aren't as fortunate, let's see how fast they get a job when they get hungry, and become homeless.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

o.k. DrPhil, I understand that and I agree with you, but if you don't work, you don't eat. I mean, I could see if someone lived with relatives or something while they look for jobs, but for those who aren't as fortunate, let's see how fast they get a job when they get hungry, and become homeless.

Ya think? There you go with those basic tenets of human understanding again.

They might not get a fast job but they may get a faster unemployment check or social services benefit.

rant/

All this boils down to is that you don't REALLY know what's going on in others' lives (or what your future holds that may have you changing your tune quickly--although you wouldn't announce it). You can see someone everyday and not know what assistance they receive in paying their bills every month. You don't know how much money they have in their bank or investments. Some people don't know whether or not their parents used to (or still do) struggle and that also goes for parents with high ranking and high paying careers. You don't know what people are doing to stay afloat and the costs-benefits analyses they have done to determine whether they are able to take a low paying temporary job. Since we don't know, people need to remember context and that nothing is fool proof. We already know (and said pages ago) that things CAN work, sometimes DO work, and that people should NOT be lazy jackasses.

Other than that, based on the redundancy in this thread, I don't think the rest of you really disagree with us (unlike Kevin). You only want to disagree with us.

/rant

[33girl]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Yeah, I read that part, and the part about "dumbing down" the resume, and I agree, but there's more than just those places that will hire people with degrees. I mean, I would just tell the person who was interviewing me that I want to make a career out of it or something. One of my classmates works for Panera Bread while she attends vet school, and I have another friend who I go to school with who works at Block Buster part time, while she goes to vet school. They both have four year degrees. So, it's not like it never happens, Vito.

They have four year degrees that don't mean shit without an advanced degree. That's not the same thing.

There's a HUGE difference between food service/retail/etc jobs hiring STUDENTS (who they are well aware will be out the door Seymour the minute the ink on their diploma is dry) for evenings/weekends and hiring people full time who have been in the work force for a while who are just applying there because they can't get anything better. The second category, you kind of hate to put the time into them because you really don't know if they're going to stay or not. They are the kind of people who would make great management material but half the time the minute they get that responsibility, something better comes along and they bolt. (I'm saying this from the POV of close friends of mine who are retail managers.)