Tom Delay: People Are Unemployed Because They Want To Be

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

And what's so hard about getting a job at Burger King?

Hmm did you not read this entire thread. Those kinds of jobs very often do not hire people with degrees.

[dreamseeker]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Hmm did you not read this entire thread. Those kinds of jobs very often do not hire people with degrees.

lol, idk why you (and anyone else for that matter) even try anymore. i just gave up and am on the ride for the trainwreck

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by dreamseeker

lol, idk why you (and anyone else for that matter) even try anymore. i just gave up and am on the ride for the trainwreck

True dat.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Hmm did you not read this entire thread. Those kinds of jobs very often do not hire people with degrees.

Yeah, I read that part, and the part about "dumbing down" the resume, and I agree, but there's more than just those places that will hire people with degrees. I mean, I would just tell the person who was interviewing me that I want to make a career out of it or something. One of my classmates works for Panera Bread while she attends vet school, and I have another friend who I go to school with who works at Block Buster part time, while she goes to vet school. They both have four year degrees. So, it's not like it never happens, Vito.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

So, it's not like it never happens, Vito.

None of us said it never happens. Most of the people in this thread have worked a temporary job while in college and/or graduate school.

On that note, graduate students who aren't employed within their fields have always found temporary jobs to put them through school. That's nothing new. That doesn't mean it will work across all contexts, and that context is what we're trying to get you all to acknowledge.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

None of us said it never happens. Most of the people in this thread have worked a temporary job while in college and/or graduate school.

On that note, graduate students who aren't employed within their fields have always found temporary jobs to put them through school. That's nothing new. That doesn't mean it will work across all contexts, and that context is what we're trying to get you all to acknowledge.

o.k. DrPhil, I understand that and I agree with you, but if you don't work, you don't eat. I mean, I could see if someone lived with relatives or something while they look for jobs, but for those who aren't as fortunate, let's see how fast they get a job when they get hungry, and become homeless.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

o.k. DrPhil, I understand that and I agree with you, but if you don't work, you don't eat. I mean, I could see if someone lived with relatives or something while they look for jobs, but for those who aren't as fortunate, let's see how fast they get a job when they get hungry, and become homeless.

Ya think? There you go with those basic tenets of human understanding again.

They might not get a fast job but they may get a faster unemployment check or social services benefit.

rant/

All this boils down to is that you don't REALLY know what's going on in others' lives (or what your future holds that may have you changing your tune quickly--although you wouldn't announce it). You can see someone everyday and not know what assistance they receive in paying their bills every month. You don't know how much money they have in their bank or investments. Some people don't know whether or not their parents used to (or still do) struggle and that also goes for parents with high ranking and high paying careers. You don't know what people are doing to stay afloat and the costs-benefits analyses they have done to determine whether they are able to take a low paying temporary job. Since we don't know, people need to remember context and that nothing is fool proof. We already know (and said pages ago) that things CAN work, sometimes DO work, and that people should NOT be lazy jackasses.

Other than that, based on the redundancy in this thread, I don't think the rest of you really disagree with us (unlike Kevin). You only want to disagree with us.

/rant

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Ya think? There you go with those basic tenants of human understanding again.

They might not get a fast job but they may get a faster unemployment check or social services benefit.

rant/

All this boils down to is that you don't REALLY know what's going on in others' lives (or what your future holds that may have you changing your tune quickly--although you wouldn't announce it). You can see someone everyday and not know what assistance they receive in paying their bills every month. You don't know how much money they have in their bank or investments. Some people don't know whether or not their parents used to (or still do) struggle and that also goes for parents with high ranking and high paying careers. You don't know what people are doing to stay afloat and the costs-benefits analyses they have done to determine whether they are able to take a low paying temporary job. Since we don't know, people need to remember context and that nothing is fool proof. We already know (and said pages ago) that things CAN work, sometimes DO work, and that people should NOT be lazy jackasses.

Other than that, based on the redundancy in this thread, I don't think the rest of you really disagree with us (unlike Kevin). You only want to disagree with us.

/rant

Well, I never said I disagree with anyone, I just said I agree with a lot (not all) of things that Kevin said. What you said here makes sense, too. I just think this is one of those debates where no one is really wrong. There's some truth to every posts here except for the posts where nasty, unnecessary racial comments by Max were used.

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Ya think? There you go with those basic tenants of human understanding again.

*coming out of thread lurkdom*

I can haz signature? Plz?

*vanishes*

ETA:

Originally Posted by AGDee

A lot of the "advice" being given may apply to a young person who can live with their parents or live in a studio apartment and eat ramen noodles and boxed mac n cheese everyday.

Quit talking about me while I'm standing right here.

[KAPital PHINUst]

I noticed that a number of people here threw Kevin and Als412 (sp?) under the bus because they assumed that neither of them understood or accepted that there weren't any jobs available and both consistently said that there actually was jobs available, and believe it or not, they were right, and what they did not explicitly say, probably because it should have been a given was this:

MOST AMERICANS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO HUSTLE!!

Let me say this again:
MOST AMERICANS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO HUSTLE!!

OK, I understand that many companies are not hiring, and that a lot of the "McJobs" will not hire overqualified candidates, but let me ask you this:

Do you know how to clean houses, wash cars, mow lawns, sing, dance, pick up litter, shovel show, babysit?

Do you have a marketable skill, any at all? If so, you can find work. So you say businesses won't hire you, find individuals who will. Trust me, if you know how to sell yourself, you can never be unemployed. Understand this: Money does NOT disappear, it only gets transferred to those who know how to hustle or has a better hustle.

Folks really need to learn how to be creative in how to make money in these trying times. I tell a lot of folks that they need to think outside the box as far as making money. And yes, you can do it, you just need to step outside of your comfort zone and do what it takes to make it happen. And you know, if people like your hustle, they want to hire YOU, and when they want to hire you, you can call the shots without having to settle, because you're letting them know you're not desparate for money. And being able to do that is an awesome feeling.

Bottom line, it's a matter of:
- Capitalizing on an ability that you can market yourself with
- Knowing how to market yourself
- Stepping outside of your comfort zone.
- Doing the job like a pro and being noticed for your efforts

I have a podcast that delves on this in more detail. PM if you're interested in getting the weblink.

[xp2k]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

I noticed that a number of people here threw Kevin and Als412 (sp?) under the bus because they assumed that neither of them understood or accepted that there weren't any jobs available and both consistently said that there actually was jobs available, and believe it or not, they were right, and what they did not explicitly say, probably because it should have been a given was this:

MOST AMERICANS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO HUSTLE!!

Let me say this again:
MOST AMERICANS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO HUSTLE!!

First, no one assumed anything, as the two gave enough "evidence" to remove all doubt.

Second, people arent literally meaning that there are ZERO jobs available.

And most importantly:
FISH ARE FRIENDS NOT FOOD!

FISH ARE FRIENDS NOT FOOD!

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

OK, I understand that many companies are not hiring, and that a lot of the "McJobs" will not hire overqualified candidates, but let me ask you this:

Do you know how to clean houses, wash cars, mow lawns, sing, dance, pick up litter, shovel show, babysit?

Do you have a marketable skill, any at all? If so, you can find work. So you say businesses won't hire you, find individuals who will. Trust me, if you know how to sell yourself, you can never be unemployed. Understand this: Money does NOT disappear, it only gets transferred to those who know how to hustle or has a better hustle.

Yeah, the problem is that "skills" like cleaning house, washing cars, mowing lawns, picking up litter, shoveling snow, etc....those arent skilled positions...thats why in the past, low-payed, UNSKILLED laborers were hired to do those jobs. And since ANYONE can do these jobs anyway, people arent hiring "help" like they used to, its one of the first things that many cut back on.

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

Folks really need to learn how to be creative in how to make money in these trying times. I tell a lot of folks that they need to think outside the box as far as making money. And yes, you can do it, you just need to step outside of your comfort zone and do what it takes to make it happen. And you know, if people like your hustle, they want to hire YOU, and when they want to hire you, you can call the shots without having to settle, because you're letting them know you're not desparate for money. And being able to do that is an awesome feeling.

Bottom line, it's a matter of:
- Capitalizing on an ability that you can market yourself with
- Knowing how to market yourself
- Stepping outside of your comfort zone.
- Doing the job like a pro and being noticed for your efforts

I have a podcast that delves on this in more detail. PM if you're interested in getting the weblink.

I dont disagree with your advice, people need to polish their skills in this market.

I do disagree with the idea that its a snap to get hired if you really want to be.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by xp2k

Yeah, the problem is that "skills" like cleaning house, washing cars, mowing lawns, picking up litter, shoveling snow, etc....those arent skilled positions...thats why in the past, low-payed, UNSKILLED laborers were hired to do those jobs. And since ANYONE can do these jobs anyway, people arent hiring "help" like they used to, its one of the first things that many cut back on.

Forest for the trees, xp2k. The issue is not a matter of skilled vs. unskilled labor; the jobs I listed I was being strictly arbitrary to illustrate skills that many people know how to do. The issue is a matter of understanding that everyone has a marketable skill. Everyone. It is simply a matter of matching your marketable skills to the market who wants/needs your skills.

Simply put, take inventory of all the skills that you can sell. Market it. Use it. Make the money instead of waiting on it.

I dont disagree with your advice, people need to polish their skills in this market.

I do disagree with the idea that its a snap to get hired if you really want to be.

I never said that it was going to be a snap to get hired, especially if you neither know your market nor have a marketing strategy.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

Trust me, if you know how to sell yourself, you can never be unemployed. Understand this: Money does NOT disappear, it only gets transferred to those who know how to hustle or has a better hustle.

Didn't you say you were unemployed right now? Does that mean you don't know how to hustle?

You should probably stop posting and go shovel someone's sidewalk.

[Prettyface08]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Didn't you say you were unemployed right now? Does that mean you don't know how to hustle?

You should probably stop posting and go shovel someone's sidewalk.

YES! LOL

[xp2k]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

Understand this: Money does NOT disappear, it only gets transferred to those who know how to hustle or has a better hustle.

EXACTLY...this is what I keep telling all the people wrapped up in the Bernie Madoff scam...but they just dont seem to trust me or anyone for advice these days...