Tom Delay: People Are Unemployed Because They Want To Be

[als463]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Kevin and the rest of his minions would be proud.

See, once again you go to name-calling. One minute you stand behind people who are complaining that they can't find jobs, giving the impression that you would be happy for those who would find employment, then you feel the need to tell me that what I have done is not that big of a deal, once I've proved that not everyone is going through this whole economic mess.

Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean you have to call them names. Do you have a job? If so, why don't you find jobs for other people on this board? I don't even understand why people were freaking out on Kevin asking him to hire people (that he most likely never met-nor has any idea what kind of work ethic they have) just because he is gainfully employed.

Good for Kevin for being employed. Good for anyone who has a career or is in school working towards a career. Shame on anyone who is trying to put those people down and call them names because they disagree with what they have said.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by als463

See, once again you go to name-calling. One minute you stand behind people who are complaining that they can't find jobs, giving the impression that you would be happy for those who would find employment, then you feel the need to tell me that what I have done is not that big of a deal, once I've proved that not everyone is going through this whole economic mess.

Good for you that you were able to find a job each consecutive year....but you haven't proved anything except that you and Kevin are asshats when it comes to this topic.

You were able to find a job, good for you. Not everyone can, but you clearly can't grasp that concept. By saying that people should go out and send out XX applications/resumes, or say they should join the military, etc is PROVING (so maybe you did prove something) that you can't grasp that concept.

So just leave it at that. No one is calling you any names, no one is doing anything except disagreeing with you.

[als463]

Originally Posted by epchick

Good for you that you were able to find a job each consecutive year....but you haven't proved anything except that you and Kevin are asshats when it comes to this topic.

You were able to find a job, good for you. Not everyone can, but you clearly can't grasp that concept. By saying that people should go out and send out XX applications/resumes, or say they should join the military, etc is PROVING (so maybe you did prove something) that you can't grasp that concept.

So just leave it at that. No one is calling you any names, no one is doing anything except disagreeing with you.

You just called me an asshat and Dr.Phil called people who agree with Kevin minions. I don't see why it makes me an asshat because I've offered ways people can find jobs, since they are saying they are having a hard time. Earlier, people were making rude remarks to Kevin because he commented that people should try harder (or whatever he said) to get a job.

If you are given the option to join the military, send out x amount of resumes, do a job you are "over-qualified" for, or do something you don't exactly "love" or feel "passionate" about and you turn it down, then I agree with the article that SOME people (not all) are unemployed because they want to be-not in the sense that people wake up and say, "Wow, I love being unemployed," but in the sense that they have been given options, yet chose to ignore them. There are jobs out there. Some people just don't want to "lower" themselves to do them.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by als463

There are jobs out there. Some people just don't want to "lower" themselves to do them.

Yep. I agree. As I was driving home today, I drove past Burger King and there was a "Now Hiring" sign out in front. I mean, I know it's flipping burgers for pennies, but at least it's a temporary job until you get something else.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Yep. I agree. As I was driving home today, I drove past Burger King and there was a "Now Hiring" sign out in front. I mean, I know it's flipping burgers for pennies, but at least it's a temporary job until you get something else.

Except for the people who can't get the job for a number of reasons.

Besides, if you've never done a monthly budget before, here goes:

Burger King check: W
Monthly bills: X
Unforeseen monthly costs: Y
Money left for checking and/or savings and/or line of credit and/or wealth building program: Z

Good luck.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Except for the people who can't get the job for a number of reasons.

Besides, if you've never done a monthly budget before, here goes:

Burger King check: W
Monthly bills: X
Unforeseen monthly costs: Y
Money left for checking and/or savings and/or line of credit and/or wealth building program: Z

Good luck.

There's always two jobs, I'm sure. And what's so hard about getting a job at Burger King?

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

And what's so hard about getting a job at Burger King?

Hmm did you not read this entire thread. Those kinds of jobs very often do not hire people with degrees.

[DrPhil]

Not only the degrees themselves, but there is also a such thing as "cultural capital."

Some people will be seen as a good fit for a Burger King somewhere (for a nonmanagement position). Other people will be very transparent when management sees them and talks to them. The person can pretend that he or she does not have a college degree (or beyond), but that doesn't mean the act will go that far.

It CAN work for the time being, but (since we were talking about advice) some employers, temp agencies, and career professionals advise people to forego certain types of jobs and focus on building your marketable skills, social networks, and relatable career traits. They posit that you CAN work low wage labor do barely make ends meet or you can pull a "Pursuit of Happyness." That means that you delay the economic gratification of a low paying job (if you and your family can withstand the economic strife for a while) to pursue something with more longterm benefits.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Yep. I agree. As I was driving home today, I drove past Burger King and there was a "Now Hiring" sign out in front. I mean, I know it's flipping burgers for pennies, but at least it's a temporary job until you get something else.

Please apply and see if you get hired with a bachelor's degree and almost through vet school. Maybe then you'll realize what people have been saying in this whole thread.

Now I need to go back and finish the umpteen million pages you guys burned through last night.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by agzg

Please apply and see if you get hired with a bachelor's degree and almost through vet school. Maybe then you'll realize what people have been saying in this whole thread.

I don't need to apply. During my rotations, my income comes through my vending machines, plus during the summer, I work at the regular vet clinic, where I've always worked.

I just think people are making up so many excuses as of "why I can't" instead of doing whatever it takes to make something happen. When my dad passed away in 2006, he and my mom had been putting money aside for me to go to vet school, so when I graduate I wouldn't have any loans to pay back. I also knew that once I started my rotations, I wasn't going to be able to work part time, so during the summer months I started saving for a vending machine, and the money I made from that one, I bought another one, and so on. I have 5 of them now. They pay all of my bills and add more income to what I already have during the summer months. I just think there's always a way to make things happen.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I don't need to apply. During my rotations, my income comes through my vending machines, plus during the summer, I work at the regular vet clinic, where I've always worked.

I just think people are making up so many excuses as of "why I can't" instead of doing whatever it takes to make something happen. When my dad passed away in 2006, he and my mom had been putting money aside for me to go to vet school, so when I graduate I wouldn't have any loans to pay back. I also knew that once I started my rotations, I wasn't going to be able to work part time, so during the summer months I started saving for a vending machine, and the money I made from that one, I bought another one, and so on. I have 5 of them now. They pay all of my bills and add more income to what I already have during the summer months. I just think there's always a way to make things happen.

That wasn't my point, but ok.

My point was that it seems easy enough to get a job at Burger King, since they have a Help Wanted sign in the window, but if you have a Bachelor's degree and apply at the beginning or even the middle of vet school, they may hire you because they know they get you for X number of years in the future. They're less likely to hire someone in your position, with a Bachelor's Degree and only a few months left of Vet school, because they won't get a return on their investment for you (in terms of training) because you'll be out the door. Same with someone who has graduated - they're quite suspect of why someone would apply to the lower-level jobs because they figure you'll quit as soon as something better comes along, and they're lose their human capital investment in you.

It's theoretically quite nice to say "oh well work in fast food or retail until something better comes along" but it becomes complex when companies like that are making hiring decisions, because they often weigh potential employees against the job responsibilities/company culture just as hard as employers for high salary positions.

Not saying it doesn't happen, just saying it's quite a bit less likely.

I was unable to get a job at Target after graduating from Grad School. I was able to get a job at Target while in Grad School. Some people luck out and get hired anyway. Short way to say what I just said.

[Prettyface08]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Yep. I agree. As I was driving home today, I drove past Burger King and there was a "Now Hiring" sign out in front. I mean, I know it's flipping burgers for pennies, but at least it's a temporary job until you get something else.

This is retarded. You do understand that your comment just proves the point of everyone who has been saying, over and over, that hiring managers know that people are thinking like this and aren't willing to take the risk:
NO...ONE...WILL...HIRE...THE...OVERQUALIFIED...IND IVIDUAL...BECAUSE...THEY...KNOW...THEY...WILL...LE AVE...WHEN/IF...THEY...FIND...SOMETHING...BETTER.

I'm really starting to believe that some of you aren't reading the thread and are just agreeing with people for the sake of agreeing with them. You should probably sit this one out too, at least until you catch up.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by als463

If you are given the option to join the military, send out x amount of resumes, do a job you are "over-qualified" for, or do something you don't exactly "love" or feel "passionate" about and you turn it down, then I agree with the article that SOME people (not all) are unemployed because they want to be-not in the sense that people wake up and say, "Wow, I love being unemployed," but in the sense that they have been given options, yet chose to ignore them. There are jobs out there. Some people just don't want to "lower" themselves to do them.

Wow. First off, not everybody has the option to join the military, even if it is something they want to do or would be fit for.

Some people send out literally hundreds of resumes per week yet get no offers.

It's not people not being willing to do a job they are "over-qualified" for, it's them not getting those jobs in the first place. That was mentioned many times.

And nobody ever said that they have turned down jobs they don't like or aren't passionate about. It was some of us complaining about people searching for really responsible jobs that they don't care about because there is a perceived availability for them. That kind of attitude is why there are so many shitty social workers out there. They don't really care, they are just doing it for a pay check. They would do only the bare minimum or sometimes even then. Same with teaching. Those jobs should only have somebody who truely cares about it.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by als463

You just called me an asshat and Dr.Phil called people who agree with Kevin minions. I don't see why it makes me an asshat because I've offered ways people can find jobs, since they are saying they are having a hard time. Earlier, people were making rude remarks to Kevin because he commented that people should try harder (or whatever he said) to get a job.

If you are given the option to join the military, send out x amount of resumes, do a job you are "over-qualified" for, or do something you don't exactly "love" or feel "passionate" about and you turn it down, then I agree with the article that SOME people (not all) are unemployed because they want to be-not in the sense that people wake up and say, "Wow, I love being unemployed," but in the sense that they have been given options, yet chose to ignore them. There are jobs out there. Some people just don't want to "lower" themselves to do them.

Ummm do you even know what 'minions' mean? Just wondering. Ok so I retract my statement, i'm the only one who called you a name.

So because I refuse to join the military, I'm this lazy bum right? Because GOD FORBID we should actually have people in the military who actually want to serve our country and are proud of it.

Clearly you don't read when people say that they can't even get a "lower" job. I couldn't even get a job at my old retail job because I was 'over qualified.' Yeah I could omit my bachelors degree, but why lie? I was 'over qualified' at Subway also.

I didn't chose to ignore being unemployed, but I also can't control whether I got an interview or not. Just because there are "available" jobs doesn't mean that any Tom, Dick or Harry that really wants to get it, can get it.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Yep. I agree. As I was driving home today, I drove past Burger King and there was a "Now Hiring" sign out in front. I mean, I know it's flipping burgers for pennies, but at least it's a temporary job until you get something else.

Why so then you could make fun of them like you do the people from "Taco Hell," "Scrubway" and claim they don't have ambition in life?

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by epchick

Why so then you could make fun of them like you do the people from "Taco Hell," "Scrubway" and claim they don't have ambition in life?

No, so they can bring in some kind of income even it takes working two jobs. I also said temporary, not permanent. Unless it's a company they want to work for and make a career out of. Making fries forever and not moving up or doing anything else equals no ambition. No ambition means no ambition to do NOTHING else but that.