Tom Delay: People Are Unemployed Because They Want To Be

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Yep. I agree. As I was driving home today, I drove past Burger King and there was a "Now Hiring" sign out in front. I mean, I know it's flipping burgers for pennies, but at least it's a temporary job until you get something else.

Except for the people who can't get the job for a number of reasons.

Besides, if you've never done a monthly budget before, here goes:

Burger King check: W
Monthly bills: X
Unforeseen monthly costs: Y
Money left for checking and/or savings and/or line of credit and/or wealth building program: Z

Good luck.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Except for the people who can't get the job for a number of reasons.

Besides, if you've never done a monthly budget before, here goes:

Burger King check: W
Monthly bills: X
Unforeseen monthly costs: Y
Money left for checking and/or savings and/or line of credit and/or wealth building program: Z

Good luck.

There's always two jobs, I'm sure. And what's so hard about getting a job at Burger King?

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

And what's so hard about getting a job at Burger King?

Hmm did you not read this entire thread. Those kinds of jobs very often do not hire people with degrees.

[dreamseeker]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Hmm did you not read this entire thread. Those kinds of jobs very often do not hire people with degrees.

lol, idk why you (and anyone else for that matter) even try anymore. i just gave up and am on the ride for the trainwreck

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by dreamseeker

lol, idk why you (and anyone else for that matter) even try anymore. i just gave up and am on the ride for the trainwreck

True dat.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Hmm did you not read this entire thread. Those kinds of jobs very often do not hire people with degrees.

Yeah, I read that part, and the part about "dumbing down" the resume, and I agree, but there's more than just those places that will hire people with degrees. I mean, I would just tell the person who was interviewing me that I want to make a career out of it or something. One of my classmates works for Panera Bread while she attends vet school, and I have another friend who I go to school with who works at Block Buster part time, while she goes to vet school. They both have four year degrees. So, it's not like it never happens, Vito.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

So, it's not like it never happens, Vito.

None of us said it never happens. Most of the people in this thread have worked a temporary job while in college and/or graduate school.

On that note, graduate students who aren't employed within their fields have always found temporary jobs to put them through school. That's nothing new. That doesn't mean it will work across all contexts, and that context is what we're trying to get you all to acknowledge.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

None of us said it never happens. Most of the people in this thread have worked a temporary job while in college and/or graduate school.

On that note, graduate students who aren't employed within their fields have always found temporary jobs to put them through school. That's nothing new. That doesn't mean it will work across all contexts, and that context is what we're trying to get you all to acknowledge.

o.k. DrPhil, I understand that and I agree with you, but if you don't work, you don't eat. I mean, I could see if someone lived with relatives or something while they look for jobs, but for those who aren't as fortunate, let's see how fast they get a job when they get hungry, and become homeless.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

o.k. DrPhil, I understand that and I agree with you, but if you don't work, you don't eat. I mean, I could see if someone lived with relatives or something while they look for jobs, but for those who aren't as fortunate, let's see how fast they get a job when they get hungry, and become homeless.

Ya think? There you go with those basic tenets of human understanding again.

They might not get a fast job but they may get a faster unemployment check or social services benefit.

rant/

All this boils down to is that you don't REALLY know what's going on in others' lives (or what your future holds that may have you changing your tune quickly--although you wouldn't announce it). You can see someone everyday and not know what assistance they receive in paying their bills every month. You don't know how much money they have in their bank or investments. Some people don't know whether or not their parents used to (or still do) struggle and that also goes for parents with high ranking and high paying careers. You don't know what people are doing to stay afloat and the costs-benefits analyses they have done to determine whether they are able to take a low paying temporary job. Since we don't know, people need to remember context and that nothing is fool proof. We already know (and said pages ago) that things CAN work, sometimes DO work, and that people should NOT be lazy jackasses.

Other than that, based on the redundancy in this thread, I don't think the rest of you really disagree with us (unlike Kevin). You only want to disagree with us.

/rant

[KAPital PHINUst]

I noticed that a number of people here threw Kevin and Als412 (sp?) under the bus because they assumed that neither of them understood or accepted that there weren't any jobs available and both consistently said that there actually was jobs available, and believe it or not, they were right, and what they did not explicitly say, probably because it should have been a given was this:

MOST AMERICANS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO HUSTLE!!

Let me say this again:
MOST AMERICANS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO HUSTLE!!

OK, I understand that many companies are not hiring, and that a lot of the "McJobs" will not hire overqualified candidates, but let me ask you this:

Do you know how to clean houses, wash cars, mow lawns, sing, dance, pick up litter, shovel show, babysit?

Do you have a marketable skill, any at all? If so, you can find work. So you say businesses won't hire you, find individuals who will. Trust me, if you know how to sell yourself, you can never be unemployed. Understand this: Money does NOT disappear, it only gets transferred to those who know how to hustle or has a better hustle.

Folks really need to learn how to be creative in how to make money in these trying times. I tell a lot of folks that they need to think outside the box as far as making money. And yes, you can do it, you just need to step outside of your comfort zone and do what it takes to make it happen. And you know, if people like your hustle, they want to hire YOU, and when they want to hire you, you can call the shots without having to settle, because you're letting them know you're not desparate for money. And being able to do that is an awesome feeling.

Bottom line, it's a matter of:
- Capitalizing on an ability that you can market yourself with
- Knowing how to market yourself
- Stepping outside of your comfort zone.
- Doing the job like a pro and being noticed for your efforts

I have a podcast that delves on this in more detail. PM if you're interested in getting the weblink.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Yeah, I read that part, and the part about "dumbing down" the resume, and I agree, but there's more than just those places that will hire people with degrees. I mean, I would just tell the person who was interviewing me that I want to make a career out of it or something. One of my classmates works for Panera Bread while she attends vet school, and I have another friend who I go to school with who works at Block Buster part time, while she goes to vet school. They both have four year degrees. So, it's not like it never happens, Vito.

They have four year degrees that don't mean shit without an advanced degree. That's not the same thing.

There's a HUGE difference between food service/retail/etc jobs hiring STUDENTS (who they are well aware will be out the door Seymour the minute the ink on their diploma is dry) for evenings/weekends and hiring people full time who have been in the work force for a while who are just applying there because they can't get anything better. The second category, you kind of hate to put the time into them because you really don't know if they're going to stay or not. They are the kind of people who would make great management material but half the time the minute they get that responsibility, something better comes along and they bolt. (I'm saying this from the POV of close friends of mine who are retail managers.)

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by 33girl

They have four year degrees that don't mean shit without an advanced degree. That's not the same thing.

There's a HUGE difference between food service/retail/etc jobs hiring STUDENTS (who they are well aware will be out the door Seymour the minute the ink on their diploma is dry) for evenings/weekends and hiring people full time who have been in the work force for a while who are just applying there because they can't get anything better. The second category, you kind of hate to put the time into them because you really don't know if they're going to stay or not. They are the kind of people who would make great management material but half the time the minute they get that responsibility, something better comes along and they bolt. (I'm saying this from the POV of close friends of mine who are retail managers.)

True, but I still think that if you want something bad enough, you'll do something about it, especially if you have other mouths to feed. No offense to anyone on here, but I'll bet there are some people who are unemployed (in general) and are complaining about not being able to find a job, blaming it on the economy, but yet are on facebook chatting with friends, rather than looking for a job.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

True, but I still think that if you want something bad enough, you'll do something about it, especially if you have other mouths to feed. No offense to anyone on here, but I'll bet there are some people who are unemployed (in general) and are complaining about not being able to find a job, blaming it on the enonomy, but yet are on facebook chatting with friends, rather than looking for a job.

My point is that citing "my friends in vet school have a part time job" as an example of the wonderful careers that people can get if they only try harder is ridiculous.

[xp2k]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

True, but I still think that if you want something bad enough, you'll do something about it, especially if you have other mouths to feed. No offense to anyone on here, but I'll bet there are some people who are unemployed (in general) and are complaining about not being able to find a job, blaming it on the economy, but yet are on facebook chatting with friends, rather than looking for a job.

I know right! I bet there are people sleeping...eating...using the bathroom...probably even BREATHING instead of out looking for work.

Showing such lack of discipline is why this country is where it is.....



Actually I do get your point...there defintely ARE people out there who could be trying harder...and trust me...when they get to the end of the Unemployment extension...they will be...but by then its too late.

As someone who was unemployed for almost 18 months at one point...its actually mentally unhealthy to NOT take a break from looking for work.

I had a lot of 18 hour days applying for everything, or going door to door downtown to find work and I was actually told that I needed to back off as I was driving myself crazy!

[agzg]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Yeah, I read that part, and the part about "dumbing down" the resume, and I agree, but there's more than just those places that will hire people with degrees. I mean, I would just tell the person who was interviewing me that I want to make a career out of it or something. One of my classmates works for Panera Bread while she attends vet school, and I have another friend who I go to school with who works at Block Buster part time, while she goes to vet school. They both have four year degrees. So, it's not like it never happens, Vito.

Ah yes - while in vet school. That's the thing. They know they have you for X amount of years. And if you have only one semester or so left, forget about it.

I worked retail while in Grad School, too. When I was unemployed after Grad School I tried to go back to Target - no dice.