Why do LGLO/MCGLOs follow NPHC practices?

[rhoyaltempest]

This guy has gone from being annoying to being downright comical. I'm finding it quite funny now that someone on the outside looking in would tell a group of people that they have no connection to their heritage (just because he doesn't feel a connection to his) despite the fact that he is not and could not live their cultural experiences. And he continues to go on and on which suggests that he REALLY believes what he's so very WRONG WRONG WRONG about.

At first I thought he was just trying to be annoying but now I think he really does THINK he knows what he's talking about. Wow. Just when you thought you'd heard it all, gc is there to entertain.

Let's move on though because people like Elephant Walk love to wallow in ignorance. The whole point in networking with other people (via the internet or elsewhere) is to get varying perspectives, viewpoints, and testimonies, not to define things (especially an entire group of people) by a few examples in your personal life.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

This guy has gone from being annoying to being downright comical. I'm finding it quite funny now that someone on the outside looking in would tell a group of people that they have no connection to their heritage (just because he doesn't feel a connection to his) despite the fact that he is not and could not live their cultural experiences.

You don't seem to get it. Heritage is not important. It doesn't tell you where you're from and it sure as hell doesn't tell you where your going. It simply tells you your geneolgy. Which is a very unimportant, masturbatory exercise.

I'm saying that you don't have the same connection to your heritage as other blacks across the world have. That there is no legitimate Pan-African commonality. The black Haitians practice Voodoo as it came over from Africa. Do you practice voodoo? That was a religion. Perhaps, your christian? Doesn't sound too African to me (perhaps northeast Africa, but few of the American ancestors originated from there...and even then, that's Coptic Christian). The blacks across Europe don't seem to feel the same inferiority complex of whites as blacks in America. Hell, they were more scared of their own race slaughtering or enslaving them, which is why they left that beautiful hellhole.

I would love to see some evidence of African traditions as practiced across the world. That is, they happen in the United States/Europe/China/South America. I simply don't think you'll find it.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

I'm saying that you don't have the same connection to your heritage as other blacks across the world have. That there is no legitimate Pan-African commonality.

Either discuss LGLO/MCGLOs following NPHC practices or go back to discussing IFC tiers in another thread.

[BlueNYC2]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Either discuss LGLO/MCGLOs following NPHC practices or go back to discussing IFC tiers in another thread.

lol...burn!!!

GAME OVER MAN!!! GAME OVER!!!

[CULater]

When I see orgs align their traditions and rituals towards NPHC, it could means a couple of things.

1) They see the similarities in why NPHC was founded with their own beliefs for why their own organizations need to be founded (i.e. LTA was founded to provide support for the increasing # of latinas in higher education and to help counter the traditional roles commonly accepted)

2) They wanted to be more community-based driven, in providing and addressing specific needs of a specific community (in general NPHC are geared towards Afrian American/Black communities, while IFC/NPC aren't really geared towards a specifc community, maybe Jewish, but most were from music groups or other book groups, etc)


3) They received help from NPHC to be founded (i.e. SLB, LUL)

4) Conforming to the current social Greek communities at their school. They wanted to be more similar to NPHC than say a business fraternity. They were more likely to be accepted if their traditions and rituals were something that was familiar to NPHC orgs. Furthermore, a lot of the councils have specific requirements related to NPHC activities (for example, participating in a greek step show, or else you pay a fine or another penalty)

5) NPHC traditions are great recruitment tools.

6) Documentation - a lot of times before internet, it is hard to know who to credit for what ritual. Maybe they saw an older LGLO or MCGLO do it, and thought it relevant as well to their own.

7) some of their members started to do it, and it caught on and became a ritual/tradition.

Personally, I hope many of the organizations that have recently been founded have done thorough research. I know for us personally, back in the 80s when we started to socialize more with NPHC and saw them stepping and strolling, we researched the purpose of them and had to decide if those traditions would be relevant for our organization's mission/identity/goals, and why or why not. I feel our reasons justified, but for others, it could be different, and everyone has a different perspective, so I respect thatb(or at least try to).

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by CULater

5) NPHC traditions are great recruitment tools.

yikes

[PANTHERTEKE]

Originally Posted by CULater

2) They wanted to be more community-based driven, in providing and addressing specific needs of a specific community (in general NPHC are geared towards Afrian American/Black communities, while IFC/NPC aren't really geared towards a specifc community, maybe Jewish, but most were from music groups or other book groups, etc)

This is true. Even though we all have our own national/local philanthropic endeavors, our organizations focus more on helping the individual become a better man or better woman. Which, IMO, there is nothing wrong with. IFC/NPC is different from NPHC/MCG which is fine.

Originally Posted by CULater

3) They received help from NPHC to be founded (i.e. SLB, LUL)

Just out of curiosity, who helped LUL be founded? I know the connection between SLB and Phi Beta Sigma but I don't know about LUL.

Originally Posted by CULater

5) NPHC traditions are great recruitment tools.

See, if I were a member of an NPHC org, this would bother me. (This and the fact that other minority or culturally based orgs are copying the traditions).

Yeah, stepping/strolling/calls/etc might be cool and, sure, they're a great recruitment tool. But it seems like everyone copying them is doing so just to be cool and they don't understand the meaning/significance of their traditions.

Originally Posted by CULater

6) Documentation - a lot of times before internet, it is hard to know who to credit for what ritual. Maybe they saw an older LGLO or MCGLO do it, and thought it relevant as well to their own.

Nah, I think everyone knows that BGLOs started stepping/strolling/calls/etc.

Originally Posted by CULater

Personally, I hope many of the organizations that have recently been founded have done thorough research. I know for us personally, back in the 80s when we started to socialize more with NPHC and saw them stepping and strolling, we researched the purpose of them and had to decide if those traditions would be relevant for our organization's mission/identity/goals, and why or why not. I feel our reasons justified, but for others, it could be different, and everyone has a different perspective, so I respect that (or at least try to).

That's one of the reasons why LTA, to me, is the best sorority for hispanic women. You guys seem to have your own traditions and not copy what the other orgs are doing just to be cool.

[TotallyWicked]

Originally Posted by CULater

3) They received help from NPHC to be founded (i.e. SLB, LUL)

Please specify your interpretation of 'help' one of our own founders said they received no help whatsoever when founding LUL, the main misconception is that the Alphas founded us, when he himself said the Alphas were just 'real cool' with us.

I think people misinterpret support in the form of 'hey we have nothing against you founding an organization' (LUL) as opposed to a member of another org founding another fraternity much like the case of SLB.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by TotallyWicked

Please specify your interpretation of 'help' one of our own founders said they received no help whatsoever when founding LUL, the main misconception is that the Alphas founded us, when he himself said the Alphas were just 'real cool' with us.

I see you, cousin!

I was schooled early on, way before becoming an Alpha, that Alpha didn't pledge the LUL founders, but that they enjoyed a cordial relationship with one another.

LUL: They didn't need any help.....wait, where did I hear that from....

[CULater]

Originally Posted by TotallyWicked

Please specify your interpretation of 'help' one of our own founders said they received no help whatsoever when founding LUL, the main misconception is that the Alphas founded us, when he himself said the Alphas were just 'real cool' with us.

I think people misinterpret support in the form of 'hey we have nothing against you founding an organization' (LUL) as opposed to a member of another org founding another fraternity much like the case of SLB.

I'm not trying to start anything. But, I am very close to my sisters at Cornell, and have interacted with the LULs there when I was in undergrad, and that is what they say. Maybe you should discuss it internally and decide nationally what you are saying. I don't think it is fair to sometimes claim that connection when it is convenient for you (perhaps some individual brothers have made that claim, who knows). Alphas I've talked to also do not claim to have helped LULs, but I've heard many LULs from Alpha chapter as well as neighboring chapters make that claim that they were helped by APhiA.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

You don't seem to get it. Heritage is not important. It doesn't tell you where you're from and it sure as hell doesn't tell you where your going. It simply tells you your geneolgy. Which is a very unimportant, masturbatory exercise.

I'm saying that you don't have the same connection to your heritage as other blacks across the world have. That there is no legitimate Pan-African commonality. The black Haitians practice Voodoo as it came over from Africa. Do you practice voodoo? That was a religion. Perhaps, your christian? Doesn't sound too African to me (perhaps northeast Africa, but few of the American ancestors originated from there...and even then, that's Coptic Christian). The blacks across Europe don't seem to feel the same inferiority complex of whites as blacks in America. Hell, they were more scared of their own race slaughtering or enslaving them, which is why they left that beautiful hellhole.

I would love to see some evidence of African traditions as practiced across the world. That is, they happen in the United States/Europe/China/South America. I simply don't think you'll find it.

"Your name is Toby, what's your name?" lashes whip
"Kunta Kente" barely an utterance
"Massa gave you a name, it's a nice name and you are going to take it" lashes more whips
"Kunta Kente" barely an utterance, again
"What's your name?" lashes more whips, as Kunte Kente falls to the ground...
"Toby" barely audible
"Ey, that's a good [expletive deleted]..."


What we think when you say to us that we have no connection to Africa...

Thanks for exacting your psychological determinants upon us! We sho do appreciate it Massa!!!

[CULater]

african traditions, just like any other, were often formed to cope with our environment or increase our chances of reproduction. similar to evolution. as such, we'll see similarities and differences among practices and traditions in not just human, but all species.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

She might honestly not know about "Diva." She refers back to "Delta."

That's a good point.

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

"Your name is Toby, what's your name?" lashes whip
"Kunta Kente" barely an utterance
"Massa gave you a name, it's a nice name and you are going to take it" lashes more whips
"Kunta Kente" barely an utterance, again
"What's your name?" lashes more whips, as Kunte Kente falls to the ground...
"Toby" barely audible
"Ey, that's a good [expletive deleted]..."


What we think when you say to us that we have no connection to Africa...

Thanks for exacting your psychological determinants upon us! We sho do appreciate it Massa!!!

You will forget about Africa, I say!!!

Originally Posted by CULater

african traditions, just like any other, were often formed to cope with our environment or increase our chances of reproduction. similar to evolution. as such, we'll see similarities and differences among practices and traditions in not just human, but all species.

Come again?

[CULater]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

I would love to see some evidence of African traditions as practiced across the world. That is, they happen in the United States/Europe/China/South America. I simply don't think you'll find it.

answering this statement....

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by CULater

answering this statement....

Oh, we're back to him again.

Well, can you explain how you answered that question, then? Or maybe begin by explaining how you interpreted his question? Please.