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Old 05-19-2008, 07:41 PM
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When I see orgs align their traditions and rituals towards NPHC, it could means a couple of things.

1) They see the similarities in why NPHC was founded with their own beliefs for why their own organizations need to be founded (i.e. LTA was founded to provide support for the increasing # of latinas in higher education and to help counter the traditional roles commonly accepted)

2) They wanted to be more community-based driven, in providing and addressing specific needs of a specific community (in general NPHC are geared towards Afrian American/Black communities, while IFC/NPC aren't really geared towards a specifc community, maybe Jewish, but most were from music groups or other book groups, etc)


3) They received help from NPHC to be founded (i.e. SLB, LUL)

4) Conforming to the current social Greek communities at their school. They wanted to be more similar to NPHC than say a business fraternity. They were more likely to be accepted if their traditions and rituals were something that was familiar to NPHC orgs. Furthermore, a lot of the councils have specific requirements related to NPHC activities (for example, participating in a greek step show, or else you pay a fine or another penalty)

5) NPHC traditions are great recruitment tools.

6) Documentation - a lot of times before internet, it is hard to know who to credit for what ritual. Maybe they saw an older LGLO or MCGLO do it, and thought it relevant as well to their own.

7) some of their members started to do it, and it caught on and became a ritual/tradition.

Personally, I hope many of the organizations that have recently been founded have done thorough research. I know for us personally, back in the 80s when we started to socialize more with NPHC and saw them stepping and strolling, we researched the purpose of them and had to decide if those traditions would be relevant for our organization's mission/identity/goals, and why or why not. I feel our reasons justified, but for others, it could be different, and everyone has a different perspective, so I respect thatb(or at least try to).
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5) NPHC traditions are great recruitment tools.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:40 PM
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2) They wanted to be more community-based driven, in providing and addressing specific needs of a specific community (in general NPHC are geared towards Afrian American/Black communities, while IFC/NPC aren't really geared towards a specifc community, maybe Jewish, but most were from music groups or other book groups, etc)
This is true. Even though we all have our own national/local philanthropic endeavors, our organizations focus more on helping the individual become a better man or better woman. Which, IMO, there is nothing wrong with. IFC/NPC is different from NPHC/MCG which is fine.

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3) They received help from NPHC to be founded (i.e. SLB, LUL)
Just out of curiosity, who helped LUL be founded? I know the connection between SLB and Phi Beta Sigma but I don't know about LUL.

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5) NPHC traditions are great recruitment tools.
See, if I were a member of an NPHC org, this would bother me. (This and the fact that other minority or culturally based orgs are copying the traditions).

Yeah, stepping/strolling/calls/etc might be cool and, sure, they're a great recruitment tool. But it seems like everyone copying them is doing so just to be cool and they don't understand the meaning/significance of their traditions.

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6) Documentation - a lot of times before internet, it is hard to know who to credit for what ritual. Maybe they saw an older LGLO or MCGLO do it, and thought it relevant as well to their own.
Nah, I think everyone knows that BGLOs started stepping/strolling/calls/etc.

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Personally, I hope many of the organizations that have recently been founded have done thorough research. I know for us personally, back in the 80s when we started to socialize more with NPHC and saw them stepping and strolling, we researched the purpose of them and had to decide if those traditions would be relevant for our organization's mission/identity/goals, and why or why not. I feel our reasons justified, but for others, it could be different, and everyone has a different perspective, so I respect that (or at least try to).
That's one of the reasons why LTA, to me, is the best sorority for hispanic women. You guys seem to have your own traditions and not copy what the other orgs are doing just to be cool.
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Old 05-21-2008, 08:34 PM
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3) They received help from NPHC to be founded (i.e. SLB, LUL)
Please specify your interpretation of 'help' one of our own founders said they received no help whatsoever when founding LUL, the main misconception is that the Alphas founded us, when he himself said the Alphas were just 'real cool' with us.

I think people misinterpret support in the form of 'hey we have nothing against you founding an organization' (LUL) as opposed to a member of another org founding another fraternity much like the case of SLB.
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Old 05-22-2008, 07:19 PM
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Please specify your interpretation of 'help' one of our own founders said they received no help whatsoever when founding LUL, the main misconception is that the Alphas founded us, when he himself said the Alphas were just 'real cool' with us.
I see you, cousin!

I was schooled early on, way before becoming an Alpha, that Alpha didn't pledge the LUL founders, but that they enjoyed a cordial relationship with one another.

LUL: They didn't need any help.....wait, where did I hear that from....
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Old 05-23-2008, 10:39 AM
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Please specify your interpretation of 'help' one of our own founders said they received no help whatsoever when founding LUL, the main misconception is that the Alphas founded us, when he himself said the Alphas were just 'real cool' with us.

I think people misinterpret support in the form of 'hey we have nothing against you founding an organization' (LUL) as opposed to a member of another org founding another fraternity much like the case of SLB.
I'm not trying to start anything. But, I am very close to my sisters at Cornell, and have interacted with the LULs there when I was in undergrad, and that is what they say. Maybe you should discuss it internally and decide nationally what you are saying. I don't think it is fair to sometimes claim that connection when it is convenient for you (perhaps some individual brothers have made that claim, who knows). Alphas I've talked to also do not claim to have helped LULs, but I've heard many LULs from Alpha chapter as well as neighboring chapters make that claim that they were helped by APhiA.
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Old 05-23-2008, 06:50 PM
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I'm not trying to start anything. But, I am very close to my sisters at Cornell, and have interacted with the LULs there when I was in undergrad, and that is what they say. Maybe you should discuss it internally and decide nationally what you are saying.
That is a discussion for our brothers to have not claims to be made by others.
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CULater please stop making false statements about other organizations.

We must be aware that some of the information being presented is not for online discussion.
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Old 05-23-2008, 06:53 PM
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CULater please stop making false statements about other organizations.
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Old 05-23-2008, 06:59 PM
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LUL was NOT co-ed when it began and I'll leave it at that.

CULater please stop making false statements about other organizations.

We must be aware that some of the information being presented is not for online discussion.

I'm not making false statements, those are what I was told my LUL members. So I say, if you don't want that said, do not tell other members. Why would I purposely make it up?
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Old 05-23-2008, 07:03 PM
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I'm not making false statements, those are what I was told my LUL members. So I say, if you don't want that said, do not tell other members. Why would I purposely make it up?
Easy remedy: Let the LUL's tell their history themselves.
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I'm not making false statements, those are what I was told my LUL members. So I say, if you don't want that said, do not tell other members. Why would I purposely make it up?
Well, we've all been told things by members that we perhaps shouldn't have been told.

But after being told by an LUL member to stay in your lane when discussing LUL, that's something to consider. Kind of like how you edited your post when Senusret called you on the Alpha info.
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Old 05-23-2008, 07:09 PM
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Well, we've all been told things by members that we perhaps shouldn't have been told.

But after being told by an LUL member to stay in your lane when discussing LUL, that's something to consider. Kind of like how you edited your post when Senusret called you on the Alpha info.
and I edited it out the LUL thing and told him to ask Serenity to take out my quote.
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