Why do LGLO/MCGLOs follow NPHC practices?

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

I'll go with a more...sociological look.

Sociologists call it "cross-ghettoization" (I believe it's the term), but it's not the word I would use, nor the word which aptly describes it. Simply put, ethnic minorities tend to reflect other ethnic minorities. The term "cross-ghettoization"(I think) is a somewhat harsher word towards hispanics and other ethnic groups.

In Germany, the black people (which have noooothing in common with African-Americans in America except they're usually only 2nd generation immigrants instead of 10th from Africa)...dress exactly the same as the stereotyped "rap" popular "ghetto" culture. They wear long black t-shirts, saggy jeans, etc. They see the ethnic minorities in America and tend to reflect that culture...even if it has nothing to do with their own. So, perhaps, the other LGLO/MCGLO's, do with NPHC. It's only a theory, I guess, but an interesting one.

You obviously know nothing about this topic and should just stop with these kind of remarks. People of African descent all over the world have a great deal in common so just stop please. I've been to Germany 3 times now courtesy of my workplace which is global and based out of Germany. I have met and socialized with Black people there (some of which are my colleagues) and I can tell you that you are so WRONG WRONG WRONG! Just like other ethnic groups, we embrace our heritage wherever we reside.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

You obviously know nothing about this topic and should just stop with these kind of remarks. People of African descent all over the world have a great deal in common so just stop please. I've been to Germany 3 times now courtesy of my workplace which is global and based out of Germany. I have met and socialized with Black people there (some of which are my colleagues) and I can tell you that you are so WRONG WRONG WRONG! Just like other ethnic groups, we embrace our heritage wherever we reside.

I've lived there for over a half a year.

I have good black German friends.

They are completely different than Black Americans in nearly every aspect except for how they dress.

There is no "pan-African" similarities. To believe otherwise is simply retarded. Yes, there are commonalities. Because they're humans and humans, believe it or not, have a lot in common with other humans. The fact that black Americans pretend like they have any connection to Africa is absolutely absurd.

[tld221]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

The fact that black Americans pretend like they have any connection to Africa is absolutely absurd.

So Italian-Americans, X-generations removed from Italy, for example, absolutely do not (and should not) have any connection to Italy. Or anyone who has been in America for many a generations yet their ancestors originating from another country?

There are differences, sure, but sometimes were more alike than we want to believe.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by tld221

So Italian-Americans, X-generations removed from Italy, for example, absolutely do not (and should not) have any connection to Italy. Or anyone who has been in America for many a generations yet their ancestors originating from another country?

Soror don't even bother. Elephant Walk knows more than any of us could possibly know about Black culture around the world and our connection to eachother and to our heritage, because he has Black friends and has obviously done his research. He is here to enlighten us all and we should be greatful.

[tld221]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

Soror don't even bother. Elephant Walk knows more than any of us could possibly know about Black culture around the world and our connection to eachother and to our heritage, because he has Black friends and has obviously done his research. He is here to enlighten us all and we should be greatful.

Of course - how could i forget?

P.s. Lived in Germany for two years... we're >here<

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

I've lived there for over a half a year

I have good black German friends.

They are completely different than Black Americans in nearly every aspect except for how they dress.

"Some of my best friends are black Germans. SO I KNOW!!!"

You're incorrect about your assertions. Period.

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

There is no "pan-African" similarities.

You're wrong.

You went from being an expert on every Greek system to being the expert on German blacks and Pan-African relations just because you spent almost a year in Germany? Your selective observations don't matter to the issue at hand. Give it a rest.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

"Some of my best friends are black Germans. SO I KNOW!!!"

You're incorrect about your assertions. Period.

Prove it.

At this point you'll generally sulk off and call me an idiot with no way to back it up. For you to believe that black Americans with absolutely no connection to Africa (...how long's it been...7 generations?) has commonalities in terms of personality or otherwise (besides being human) you would have to believe in nature over nurture. That you are born with innate tendencies that span cultural lines. If you believe that, then you're laughable to begin with. I have absolutely no connections with my German/English/French/Dutch relatives and many of my ancestors came to this country long after yours likely did.

You're wrong.

You went from being an expert on every Greek system to being the expert on German blacks and Pan-African relations just because you spent almost a year in Germany? Your selective observations don't matter to the issue at hand. Give it a rest.

Your ability to manipulate what I said is mindboggling. It's a selective observation which provides an example to a much grander observation.

So Italian-Americans, X-generations removed from Italy, for example, absolutely do not (and should not) have any connection to Italy. Or anyone who has been in America for many a generations yet their ancestors originating from another country?

*smack*

To begin with, many if not most "African"-Americans have no idea what country they came from. Even further, it wouldn't matter because the country was not important because it only reflected colonial boundaries and not tribal boundaries. Tribal boundaries are a far more important way of discovering your ancestors histories because it would lead you to what sort of foods they ate and the religions they practiced. Furthermore, Italian-Americans who are proud of their heritage tend to be recent immigrants (early 1900's), just a few generations removed from their homeland. Whereas "African"-Americans are what...seven generations removed? More? My Grandma regularly spoke German in the house. Of what connection do I have to Germany? I've never lived there. My German is terrible.

[Little32]

One point of commonality would be the experience as African descended people in a world that is still very much governed by notions of white supremacy, even as that notion has been disproved again and again. While that experience is not exactly the same the world over, it creates similar modes of oppression that engender similar sorts of resistance creating a sense of commonality and global community.

Also, to believe that just because Africans were brought forcibly to this continent that they left behind all things that made them culturally unique as Africans is generally wrong-headed. Aspects of African culture, in the form of religion, cuisine, familial relations and ways of thinking about family, among others traveled with the Africans on those ships. Here, those cultural practices continued, while being influenced both by indigenous and Euramerican cultural practices (and in some places Asian as well--though I am less versed in those intersections) to create aspects of African American culture, which continue to thrive today.

I could pull out some citations for you, but you would probably still tell me that my lived experience along with my expertise in these areas don't hold water.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Little32

I could pull out some citations for you, but you would probably still tell me that my lived experience along with my expertise in these areas don't hold water.

He's not the citations type. Save them for real discourse.

[rhoyaltempest]

This guy has gone from being annoying to being downright comical. I'm finding it quite funny now that someone on the outside looking in would tell a group of people that they have no connection to their heritage (just because he doesn't feel a connection to his) despite the fact that he is not and could not live their cultural experiences. And he continues to go on and on which suggests that he REALLY believes what he's so very WRONG WRONG WRONG about.

At first I thought he was just trying to be annoying but now I think he really does THINK he knows what he's talking about. Wow. Just when you thought you'd heard it all, gc is there to entertain.

Let's move on though because people like Elephant Walk love to wallow in ignorance. The whole point in networking with other people (via the internet or elsewhere) is to get varying perspectives, viewpoints, and testimonies, not to define things (especially an entire group of people) by a few examples in your personal life.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

This guy has gone from being annoying to being downright comical. I'm finding it quite funny now that someone on the outside looking in would tell a group of people that they have no connection to their heritage (just because he doesn't feel a connection to his) despite the fact that he is not and could not live their cultural experiences.

You don't seem to get it. Heritage is not important. It doesn't tell you where you're from and it sure as hell doesn't tell you where your going. It simply tells you your geneolgy. Which is a very unimportant, masturbatory exercise.

I'm saying that you don't have the same connection to your heritage as other blacks across the world have. That there is no legitimate Pan-African commonality. The black Haitians practice Voodoo as it came over from Africa. Do you practice voodoo? That was a religion. Perhaps, your christian? Doesn't sound too African to me (perhaps northeast Africa, but few of the American ancestors originated from there...and even then, that's Coptic Christian). The blacks across Europe don't seem to feel the same inferiority complex of whites as blacks in America. Hell, they were more scared of their own race slaughtering or enslaving them, which is why they left that beautiful hellhole.

I would love to see some evidence of African traditions as practiced across the world. That is, they happen in the United States/Europe/China/South America. I simply don't think you'll find it.

[DSTRen13]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Prove it.
I have absolutely no connections with my German/English/French/Dutch relatives and many of my ancestors came to this country long after yours likely did.

You don't feel like you have any connections to Europe and your European heritage? You don't see how it impacts you and your life here and now?

From what you've said on this board (that you've been to Germany, that your family are fairly recent immigrants), that seems really hard for me to understand. Maybe it's just a personal thing.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

It's a selective observation which provides an example to a much grander observation.

No and aren't you the guy who always has something to say when I discuss race, even going so far as to ask if I really believe race exists? Yeah, your experience is selective observation at best.

And I have nothing to "prove" to someone who thinks that a selective observation of a few black German "friends" (it wasn't like you were conducting qualitative research and directed observation, btw) for almost a year trumps the generations of African diasporic relations, historical and biographical accounts, alliances, organizations and pan-African summits, and qualitative and quantitative research.

I shall treat you just like anyone else who has had an experience but has nothing else to go based on: Thank you for sharing, now run along before you miss the fraternity tiers discussions that require your knowledge and expertise.