Universities Under Investigation Re: Handling Sexual Assault

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by honorgal

Is anyone on this thread

I don't know what your biology and gender posts were about.

Originally Posted by honorgal

or in the media

Yes, there are people in the media and in every patriarchal society who use biology and gender to perpetuate rape culture. It is a very common theme, culture, and mode of socialization in this country and around the world. Since you are unaware of that, you should research that to truly understand this thread topic and challenge your unfounded belief that this is all manufactured.

I hope the data part of my post helped you understand the data so you can lay your non-researched and unfounded argument to rest.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Yes, there are people in the media and in every patriarchal society who use biology and gender to perpetuate rape culture. .

Moving the goal posts, I see. Your statement I was referencing was that people believe men and women have huge biological and gender differences.

Why the compulsive need to exaggerate?

I will follow the experts when it comes to "rape culture", rather than the misguided, manipulated and those doing the manipulating.

In the last few years, there has been an unfortunate trend towards blaming “rape culture” for the extensive problem of sexual violence on campuses. While it is helpful to point out the systemic barriers to addressing the problem, it is important to not lose sight of a simple fact: Rape is caused not by cultural factors but by the conscious decisions, of a small percentage of the community, to commit a violent crime.
While that may seem an obvious point, it has tended to get lost in recent debates. This has led to an inclination to focus on particular segments of the student population (e.g., athletes), particular aspects of campus culture (e.g., the Greek system), or traits that are common in many millions of law-abiding Americans (e.g., “masculinity”), rather than on the subpopulation at fault: those who choose to commit rape. This trend has the paradoxical effect of making it harder to stop sexual violence, since it removes the focus from the individual at fault, and seemingly mitigates personal responsibility for his or her own actions.
By the time they reach college, most students have been exposed to 18 years of prevention messages, in one form or another. Thanks to repeated messages from parents, religious leaders, teachers, coaches, the media and, yes, the culture at large, the overwhelming majority of these young adults have learned right from wrong, and enter college knowing that rape falls squarely in the latter category.
Research supports the view that to focus solely on certain social groups or “types” of students in the effort to end campus sexual violence is a mistake. Dr. David Lisak estimates that three percent of college men are responsible for more than 90% of rapes.iii Other studies suggest that between 3-7% of college men have committed an act of sexual violence or would consider doing so. It is this relatively small percentage of the population, which has proven itself immune to years of prevention messages, that we must address in other ways. (Unfortunately, we are not aware of reliable research on female college perpetrators.)

More here:

http://rainn.org/images/03-2014/WH-T...mendations.pdf

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by honorgal

Moving the goal posts, I see. Your statement I was referencing was that people believe men and women have huge biological and gender differences.

I responded to this:

Originally Posted by honorgal

Is anyone on this thread, or in the media arguing that there are huge biological and gender differences that result in women being weak and submissive and men being strong and dominant as a factor in the manufactured campus rape "crisis"? I'm not seeing it.

If you are NOW only asking about the biological and gender differences (the bolded but not underlined part), do you not remember saying this all boils down to "gender differences. Also known as biology"?

Originally Posted by honorgal

More here:

http://rainn.org/images/03-2014/WH-T...mendations.pdf

Did you read the information in this link?

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I responded to this:



If you are NOW only asking about the biological and gender differences, do you not remember saying this all boils down to "gender differences. Also known as biology"?

Of course I don't remember saying that because I didn't say it. But you sure do love to misquote people.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by The RAINN Report quoted by honorgal

While it is helpful to point out the systemic barriers to addressing the problem, it is important to not lose sight of a simple fact: Rape is caused not by cultural factors but by the conscious decisions, of a small percentage of the community, to commit a violent crime. . . .

This seems like a false dichotomy to me. Without a doubt rape is caused by conscious decisions, but those conscious decisions, like all conscious decisions, are often shaped, at least in part, by cultural factors.

By the time they reach college, most students have been exposed to 18 years of prevention messages, in one form or another. Thanks to repeated messages from parents, religious leaders, teachers, coaches, the media and, yes, the culture at large, the overwhelming majority of these young adults have learned right from wrong, and enter college knowing that rape falls squarely in the latter category.

An oversimplification and overgeneralization, it seems to me. Yes, the culture at large says rape is wrong, but the culture at large isn't the only culture at play. Coaches, for example, may say one thing, but what does the athletic peer culture say? And which culture wins?

The Duke lacrosse case comes to mind. False accusations, but false accusations dropped down in a context where they were all too easy to believe, at least until the accusations started to unravel, because of the culture of the lacrosse team. I have no doubt that those guys had 18+ years of being taught right from wrong, and yet some of them thought it was okay to call in strippers for a party and to make sexually suggestive statements to them.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

This seems like a false dichotomy to me. Without a doubt rape is caused by conscious decisions, but those conscious decisions, like all conscious decisions, are often shaped, at least in part, by cultural factors.

An oversimplification and overgeneralization, it seems to me. Yes, the culture at large says rape is wrong, but the culture at large isn't the only culture at play. Coaches, for example, may say one thing, but what does the athletic peer culture say? And which culture wins?

The Duke lacrosse case comes to mind. False accusations, but false accusations dropped down in a context where they were all too easy to believe, at least until the accusations started to unravel, because of the culture of the lacrosse team. I have no doubt that those guys had 18+ years of being taught right from wrong, and yet some of them thought it was okay to call in strippers for a party and to make sexually suggestive statements to them.

And the message of "rape culture" isn't an oversimplification and over generalization?