Universities Under Investigation Re: Handling Sexual Assault

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

You said:
Questions were asked to try to get at exactly what you meant here, but rather than engaging those questions, you dismissed them.

That's a defense? If it's a problem when those with whom you disagree overgeneralize and oversimplify, why is it okay when done by those you're citing for support.

Or perhaps you should consider the possibility that you're not expressing yourself nearly as clearly as you may think you are. Beyond the repeated assertion that the "rape crisis" has been manufactured by "the hysteria crowd," I'm having real trouble trying to understand exactly what points you're trying to make.

I don't know how many more times I can say it. We have a problem with rape on college campuses but it's not a crisis. The extent and nature of the problem is being exaggerated. The preferred "solutions" being called for by those who are erroneously exaggerating the problem into a crisis aren't going to do much good and are going to do a lot of harm. Therefore, I oppose the solutions being called for, and because I think the objective truth matters, I also oppose the use of exaggeration as a way to compel action.

By chance has your husband, or any of his colleagues, gotten caught up in any controversy about how a rape or sexual assault was handled on campus? Or do you perhaps know a young man who was accused?

No. And no. I do know some young women and not so young women who have had drunken sex that they can't remember

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by honorgal

I don't know how many more times I can say it. We have a problem with rape on college campuses but it's not a crisis. The extent and nature of the problem is being exaggerated. The preferred "solutions" being called for by those who are erroneously exaggerating the problem into a crisis aren't going to do much good and are going to do a lot of harm. Therefore, I oppose the solutions being called for, and because I think the objective truth matters, I also oppose the use of exaggeration as a way to compel action.

Yet you were unable to respond to my posts about data and what constitutes "crisis." There is no "objective truth".

You claim your main point is college administrators are in way over their heads for dealing with rape cases but I don't think that's your main point. That is your sub-point but definitely not your main point. This thread would not have turned as it did if that was your main point.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Yet you were unable to respond to my posts about data and what constitutes "crisis." There is no "objective truth".

You claim your main point is college administrators are in way over their heads for dealing with rape cases but I don't think that's your main point. That is your sub-point but definitely not your main point. This thread would not have turned as it did if that was your main point.

At least you are consistent in telling people that you know their opinions better than they do. Did they teach you that in Taskforce 101?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by honorgal

I don't know how many more times I can say it. We have a problem with rape on college campuses but it's not a crisis. The extent and nature of the problem is being exaggerated. The preferred "solutions" being called for by those who are erroneously exaggerating the problem into a crisis aren't going to do much good and are going to do a lot of harm. Therefore, I oppose the solutions being called for, and because I think the objective truth matters, I also oppose the use of exaggeration as a way to compel action.

Thanks. That point is coming through. It's when you go beyond that that I, at least, am having trouble figuring out exactly what you mean. I still, for example, haven't figured out what point you were trying to make about gender differences and biology.

Originally Posted by AGDee

Is due process required outside of the legal system? It isn't with employment. It isn't in public K-12 school systems.

It can be required in the public K-12 school system. Generally speaking, due process is required when the government, which includes public institutions like school systems and universities, seeks to deprive anyone of a liberty or property interest.

The thing is due process is not a monolithic, one size fits all thing. Whether due process is required can vary by situation and context, and can turn on what liberty or property is at stake (assuming one is). What process due process actually requires can also vary by situation and context.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Thanks. That point is coming through. It's when you go beyond that that I, at least, am having trouble figuring out exactly what you mean. I still, for example, haven't figured out what point you were trying to make about gender differences and biology.
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My point is that there are gender and biology differences, and these problems we are seeing on college campuses of difficult/impossible to fairly adjudicate accusations of rape are the unintended consequences of a concerted effort to deny those differences exist. And it's ironic that the radicals seem to be doubling down on their hypocrisy. See the absurd recent kurfuffle about trigger warnings.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by honorgal

My point is that there are gender and biology differences, and these problems we are seeing on college campuses of difficult/impossible to fairly adjudicate accusations of rape are the unintended consequences of a concerted effort to deny those differences exist. And it's ironic that the radicals seem to be doubling down on their hypocrisy. See the absurd recent kurfuffle about trigger warnings.

Originally Posted by honorgal

Biological and evolutionary differences in sex drive/sexual motivations. I think they are quite relevant.

Either honorgal is pulling our leg or it took pages for honorgal to admit to meaning exactly what I knew honorgal meant. Yawn.