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Originally Posted by Beryana
And I should care what you think, why? But then again, I did forget I should keep my thoughts and opinions to myself around here. . .
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Obviously you care to some extent or you wouldn't have bothered sharing. Your choice to do so, means that people get to reply to your posts. Welcome to the internet. However instead of commenting on what you read in the bill you decided to claim that teachers didn't care about children which is an oft-used slam against unions and
patently untrue. When people say things that are false, other people stop listening to them - *poof* credibility gone. Similarly many people stopped listening to the governor when he threatened to call out the National Guard (who very politely told him to shove it.)
And if you don't think that the attempt to quash collective bargaining would have any significant effect on public schools when most if not all public school teachers are in the union, yeah I'm pretty sure the system falls apart even if only temporarily while schools have to rehire/restructure/etc.
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The only non-academic, current news articles that I have read in recent weeks were yesterday and today. I am not an 'education expert', nor do I read the Milwaukee paper (or Madison, Green Bay, Appleton, Wausau, etc.). I am basing my statements on what I have read in the bill. I still like the bill and am still disappointed the Senate Democrats had to pull theatrics and are basically not willing to discuss/debate the issue (and my Senator sits on the Finance committee which drafted this bill). Please explain how this bill affects education funding? Without the unions the education system will completely fall apart? I have only attended a publicly or state funded school for 4 years out of 21 years of school (Kindergarten, senior year of college and 2 years of graduate school) so, maybe, I just do not completely understand how this bill directly affects education funding. I would love to be enlightened.
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Are you aware that although a bill may not specifically state that it is cut funding in a certain area the intended effect is to cut that funding? Also, legislators often propose multiple bills that have a cascading effect.
Here is just one article discussing the effects of the cuts on education which are in the hundreds of millions of dollars. In this article, the governor does not deny the cuts, simply saying that he wants to offset them with other income. Which would seem to confirm the interpretation of the "education leaders" described.
This article describes how the proposed budget cuts will be 'offset' by the 'savings' caused by the current bill. As the same people are proposing both the budget and the current bill these things tend to work together to create action.
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As to 'compelling' the Senate Democrats to show up for work, they left the state so the State Patrol could not 'escort' them back. AOII Angel, since it is not unheard of, please explain when the entire minority party of a Wisconsin legislative house has left the state to avoid a vote on a bill.
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To the people who voted for those Democrats, odds are they're doing exactly the job they were hired to do. If their constituents want them to protect their jobs/rights to unionize then they're doing their best to make sure the bill doesn't pass, aren't they?
Additionally, don't you think it's odd how police and firefighter unions were left alone and will still have all their rights? Like maybe this isn't about principle because it's not applied to public employee unions across the board? It's almost as if they don't want to piss off certain groups, who maybe vote for them.
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