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05-14-2005, 02:28 PM
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Protests/Violonce over desecration of Qur'an at Gitmo
Well it looks like the desicion of the US Administration to house prisoners at Gitmo, as well as the actions/abuses there are (shockingly  ) causing a growing backlash.
The recent revelations/allegations that the Qur'ans where desecrated at Gitmo are causing growing protests and violence in Afghanistan, Pakistan - while provoking rallies elsewhere around the world.
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Karzai slams anti-US protesters
President Hamid Karzai has said those opposed to Afghanistan's close links with Washington are responsible for riots which have left 16 people dead.
He said the protesters are "against the strengthening of the peace process".
More protests broke out on Saturday in the northern Afghan province of Baghlan, local officials told the BBC.
Unrest has been spreading across the country since Wednesday following an allegation that US guards at Guantanamo Bay desecrated Korans.
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more at BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4547413.stm
Like I have said before... "you reap what you sow"... the US Administration decided to circumvent international and domestic laws by imprisoning people at Gitmo - laws that should have prevented the abuses and now the desecrations...
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05-14-2005, 06:58 PM
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The Qur'an - I heard - was destroyed by a prisoner who was trying to plug up a toilet. There's always another side.
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05-14-2005, 09:06 PM
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The Qur'an - I heard - was destroyed by a prisoner who was trying to plug up a toilet. There's always another side.
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Source please... and not Ann Coulter
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Lots of people are willing to kill for religion and "holy books".
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05-15-2005, 03:28 PM
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Not only are these religious fundamentalist terrorist freaks a bunch of violent coo-coos but it seems they may have even been wrong.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/15/in...rtner=homepage
Newsweek Says Koran Report Might Have Been Wrong
By REUTERS
Published: May 15, 2005
WASHINGTON, May 15 - Newsweek magazine on Sunday said it may have erred in a May 9 report that said U.S. interrogators desecrated the Koran at Guantanamo Bay, and apologized to victims of deadly violence sparked by the article.
The weekly news magazine said in its May 23 edition that the original source of the allegation was not sure where he saw the assertion that at least one copy of the Koran was flushed down a toilet in an attempt to get detainees to talk.
"We regret that we got any part of our story wrong, and extend our sympathies to victims of the violence and to the U.S. soldiers caught in its midst," Editor Mark Whitaker wrote in the magazine's latest issue, due to appear on U.S. newsstands on Monday.
The report has sparked angry and violent protests across the Muslim world from Afghanistan, where 16 were killed and more than 100 injured, to Pakistan to Indonesia to Gaza.
On Sunday, Afghan Muslim clerics threatened to call for a holy war against the United States in three days unless it handed over the interrogators in question.
The May 9 report quoted unnamed sources as saying that military investigators probing abuse at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, found that interrogators had placed copies of the Koran on toilets and "in at least one case, flushed a holy book down the toilet."
Newsweek said a Pentagon spokesman told the magazine late last week that the story was wrong and that the military has found no credible evidence to support separate allegations of Koran desecration made by released detainees.
The U.S. military opened an investigation into the charges while top U.S. officials urged Muslims to resist calls for violence, stating disrespect for the holy book would not be tolerated.
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05-16-2005, 03:28 PM
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We should consider killing these terrorist leaders/muslim preachers before they declare holy wars.
Do they even know what toilets are in their villages?
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsAr...AKISTAN-DC.XML
Muslims skeptical over Newsweek back-track on Koran
Mon May 16, 2005 2:47 PM ET
By Sayed Salahuddin
KABUL, Afghanistan (Reuters) - Muslims in Afghanistan and Pakistan were skeptical on Monday about an apparent retraction by Newsweek magazine of a report that U.S. interrogators desecrated the Koran and said U.S. pressure was behind the climb-down.
"We will not be deceived by this," Islamic cleric Mullah Sadullah Abu Aman told Reuters in the northern Afghan province of Badakhshan, referring to the magazine's retraction.
"This is a decision by America to save itself. It comes because of American pressure. Even an ordinary illiterate peasant understands this and won't accept it."
Aman was the leader of a group of clerics who on Sunday vowed to call for a holy war against the United States in three days unless it handed over the military interrogators reported to have desecrated the Koran.
That call for a jihad, or holy war, still stood, he said.
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05-16-2005, 05:44 PM
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Sory, But "SCREW THEM"!
They cant seem to get their Shit together when they allow asswholes to kill thier own people!
It is our Fault as Americans and other Peace Keepers who put their Lives on the line daily. We all have Brothers/Sister who are there to help them.
Just make a glass table top out of the region and get it over with!
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A little quick to be judgmental, maybe? Newsweek has retracted its story. Wonder who's the "Dan Rather" this time?
" Newsweek Retracts Story on Quran Abuse
NEW YORK - Newsweek magazine, under fire for publishing a story that led to deadly protests in Afghanistan, said Monday it was retracting its report that a military probe had found evidence of desecration of the Quran by U.S. interrogators at Guantanamo Bay. Earlier Monday, Bush administration officials had brushed off an apology that Newsweek's editor Mark Whitaker had made in an editor's note and criticized the magazine's handling of the story."
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05-17-2005, 01:11 AM
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Oops.. we screwed up.. wrongly reported the news, got people killed.
Our bad.
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05-17-2005, 01:17 PM
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CBS lied, nobody died (4 fired)
Newsweek lied, a whole bunch died. (How many will be fired)
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05-18-2005, 01:20 PM
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A few of my sisters are Muslim and they always taught me that jihad meant internal struggle, not holy war, as its usually mistranslated.
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05-18-2005, 01:30 PM
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A few of my sisters are Muslim and they always taught me that jihad meant internal struggle, not holy war, as its usually mistranslated.
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Umm that is one of the meanings and evidently a very sizable population has taken jihad to mean something else.
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05-18-2005, 02:25 PM
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Having stuck my neck out to free the Iraqi people from a thug of monumental evil, and having shed a little of my blood in so doing, I get a little tired of these people expressing their unthinking hatred for anything that does not conform to their way of seeing things to the extent of murdering their own countrymen (in several unrelated countries even) because of an alleged "descration" of a book. The facts of this happening are in serious doubt and the victims of this hatred gone wild were not even remotely involved.
When I was reading for an MA in comparative law several years back I recall that one seeking fairness sought an equitable remedy. The maxims of equity held that "One who comes to Equity must come with clean hands". Yet, I recall from my undergraduate history courses the dismal record of the Ottoman empire in atrocities and desecrations of Christian shrines to the extent of at one time using the Holy Supelcre as a latrine! The Arab record in WWI and the decades following is likewise pretty awful. It sickens me to constantly apologize to degenerate barbarians while they claim an absurd position of "moral superiority"!
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05-18-2005, 02:37 PM
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It sickens me to constantly apologize to degenerate barbarians while they claim an absurd position of "moral superiority"!
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And they think the same way about us...that we are "degenerate barbarians with an an absurd position of 'moral superiority'".
What makes you better? What makes them better? Is anyone really better than the next person?
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05-18-2005, 02:54 PM
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And they think the same way about us...that we are "degenerate barbarians with an an absurd position of 'moral superiority'".
What makes you better? What makes them better? Is anyone really better than the next person?
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Yes people can be better than others.
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