Difficult Recolonization Question

[JCunningham]

Originally Posted by 33girl

So in other words, you think 50 years from now, brothers will be learning your names in pledge tests or something? "Jeff Cunningham and a bunch of other dudes dumped their previous fraternity to be underground members of our recolonized chapter. We would not EXIST without them."

hahahahahahaha

It has nothing to do with us, perhaps you can not understand as you have not experienced what we have, but helping a honorable organization reestablish themselves is good enough for me.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by JCunningham

It has nothing to do with us, perhaps you can not understand as you have not experienced what we have, but helping a honorable organization reestablish themselves is good enough for me.

Perhaps YOU don't understand.

I don't think this group (if it is as upstanding as you claim) is going to let you get anywhere near its letters. Triple ditto for the chapter alumni. I'm an alum of a dormant chapter, and if I heard "oh, a bunch of girls disaffiliated from ZTA, and they're going to build up an interest group and recolonize ASA in a few years" I would be up at the school in 2.5 seconds asking them who in the hell they thought they were, appropriating my sorority to serve their purposes.

Because that's basically what you're doing. You don't like the group you're in and you think you've found a way to get out of it and still be Greek.

[JCunningham]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Because that's basically what you're doing. You don't like the group you're in and you think you've found a way to get out of it and still be Greek.

Once again, that is simply false. I am not looking to be a member of another organization. I do not want to be initiated, I do not want to be considered a brother, nor will it simply be us. There will be people who are not currently greek who will be the leaders, we will be there to help improve recruiting, organization, and the social re-integration back into the campus.

[ree-Xi]

Originally Posted by JCunningham

Once again, that is simply false. I am not looking to be a member of another organization. I do not want to be initiated, I do not want to be considered a brother, nor will it simply be us. There will be people who are not currently greek who will be the leaders, we will be there to help improve recruiting, organization, and the social re-integration back into the campus.

Not currently Greek? Are you unaware that the alumni who work at HQ, on the housing board, the advisers - the people who will be making major decisions including who becomes members of the colony - are alumni members of the fraternity. You obviously haven't learned that brotherhood is for life.

As for the "WE" - are you talking about you and the defectors? Why would ABC fraternity want members of XYZ handling any part of the colonization? Most of the business of colonization is privy only to MEMBERS.

Originally Posted by JCunningham

Both myself and 20 other brothers have worked tirelessly for the past year to try to change the way things are going, but we simply do not have the numbers. We can not get elected to positions, we cannot even have a legitimate effect on voting on potential new members. It's a lost cause.

One pledge class can change everything. You just haven't tried hard enough.

[JCunningham]

Originally Posted by ree-Xi

Not currently Greek? Are you unaware that the alumni who work at HQ, on the housing board, the advisers - the people who will be making major decisions including who becomes members of the colony - are alumni members of the fraternity. You obviously haven't learned that brotherhood is for life.

As for the "WE" - are you talking about you and the defectors? Why would ABC fraternity want members of XYZ handling any part of the colonization? Most of the business of colonization is privy only to MEMBERS.



One pledge class can change everything. You just haven't tried hard enough.

An additional two pledge classes have come through and only compounded the problem.

The specific fraternity is slowing loosing its foothold on campus, it is dangerously close to having people forget it ever existed on this campus. If it wants to come back, which alumni are making it fairly obvious that they would support an attempt, it has to be now.

It may not be ideal, but it would benefit both parties involved.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by JCunningham

It may not be ideal, but it would benefit both parties involved.

How?

I still fail to see how your being a member of a colony for like 8 weeks and quitting is really going to do for it.

The people who really contribute to the growth of a fraternity are those guys who stay with it.

Your idea is full of fail.

[JCunningham]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

How?

I still fail to see how your being a member of a colony for like 8 weeks and quitting is really going to do for it.

The people who really contribute to the growth of a fraternity are those guys who stay with it.

Your idea is full of fail.

And those men who contribute to the growth of the fraternity will be great men, those will be the people that are asked about in pledge quizzes in thirty years, not me.

The simple fact of creating something which we all know is possible and can envision, and seeing it come to light is enough for all of us.

[ree-Xi]

Originally Posted by JCunningham

An additional two pledge classes have come through and only compounded the problem.

The specific fraternity is slowing loosing its foothold on campus, it is dangerously close to having people forget it ever existed on this campus. If it wants to come back, which alumni are making it fairly obvious that they would support an attempt, it has to be now.

It may not be ideal, but it would benefit both parties involved.

The RIGHT pledge class, not any old pledge class you YOU and your brothers decided to vote in. Choose better pledges and you'll get better brothers. Don't choose just to get numbers.

[DEVODUDE]

ree-Xi: Don't choose just to get numbers.

Excellent Point!!!!! Numbers do not mean S**T if they are not producing any results.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Gusteau

If I were recruiting men for a new colony I wouldn't pick the ones that had jumped ship from another one when it didn't go their way. Being in a colony is tough work, and I wouldn't trust you to stick around. Furthermore I wouldn't recruit anyone who could not really become a brother, that stipulation is ridiculous.

Well, if breathesgelatin is around, she can fill us in on what happened at W&L when she was there -- there's a thread about somewhere around here. Definitely the exception, though.

Originally Posted by JCunningham

. . . but helping a honorable organization reestablish themselves is good enough for me.

Yes, I'm sure the honorable organization will appreciate your efforts, given what you yourself acknowledge:

Originally Posted by JCunningham

Lastly, I know this is unethical . . .

Originally Posted by JCunningham

I am fully aware that I am betraying the values that have been laid down by my fraternity and the brothers which have founded it both nationally and on my campus.

I really can't believe you registered and posted (with your real name, no less) just to fill us all in on this.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I really can't believe you registered and posted (with your real name, no less) just to fill us all in on this.

You beat me to it.

Jeff Cunningham is an idiot and this is a huge FAIL.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Well, if breathesgelatin is around, she can fill us in on what happened at W&L when she was there -- there's a thread about somewhere around here. Definitely the exception, though.

I think that was a whole chapter though, not just the Ed Hardy-phobes.

Originally Posted by violetpretty

ETA: Out of 80 members, 15-20 who give a shit about the chapter and work to enact change ARE enough.

The problem with that concept is that according to him, the other 60 members are happy as clams. I haven't heard him say that they're hazing, or that they're raping 13 year olds, or snorting smack off each other's butts, or in dire straits financially. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with this chapter except for the fact that they're "Northern." This doesn't mean they don't give a shit about the chapter. Unless they're having trouble $$ wise or RM wise, the national isn't going to recolonize them just because they don't fit in with the perceived notions of what a "good" fraternity is on campus. That's not how men operate.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I think that was a whole chapter though, not just the Ed Hardy-phobes.

It was. And I think it was a whole chapter losing its charter, too.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by 33girl

The problem with that concept is that according to him, the other 60 members are happy as clams. I haven't heard him say that they're hazing, or that they're raping 13 year olds, or snorting smack off each other's butts, or in dire straits financially. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with this chapter except for the fact that they're "Northern." This doesn't mean they don't give a shit about the chapter. Unless they're having trouble $$ wise or RM wise, the national isn't going to recolonize them just because they don't fit in with the perceived notions of what a "good" fraternity is on campus. That's not how men operate.

Oh I agree...he hasn't said that there was an actual problem. I was just trying to make the point that 15-20 out of 80 is enough to make change, just in a general sense. To put it in Phired Up terms, 15-20 "horses" can make an impact in a chapter of 80 if the rest are mules.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by violetpretty

Oh I agree...he hasn't said that there was an actual problem. I was just trying to make the point that 15-20 out of 80 is enough to make change, just in a general sense. To put it in Phired Up terms, 15-20 "horses" can make an impact in a chapter of 80 if the rest are mules.

But they're not mules. They're horses of a different color. I agree with you, but that really is not the situation as good old JC has laid it out.

And as far as the men/women question...maybe there is one instance that made national news, but it sure as hell hasn't been the only instance that existed, and in that instance, it was clarified that financial problems were NOT a factor.