Difficult Recolonization Question

[JCunningham]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

Imagine if you took all this energy and wanting to help others become better men, and applied this to your own fraternity. Since you'll always be a member of your fraternity and not initiate into a new one...charity starts at home and all that.

Both myself and 20 other brothers have worked tirelessly for the past year to try to change the way things are going, but we simply do not have the numbers. We can not get elected to positions, we cannot even have a legitimate effect on voting on potential new members. It's a lost cause.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by JCunningham

Both myself and 20 other brothers have worked tirelessly for the past year to try to change the way things are going, but we simply do not have the numbers. We can not get elected to positions, we cannot even have a legitimate effect on voting on potential new members. It's a lost cause.

Why not go and recruit members to your fraternity (you said your numbers were low) who would be potential colony members (your kind of people) and then over throw the guidos? If they are cut from the same cloth as you they may enjoy an insurrection to remove tanning and hair gel from Greek Life, and replace it with rainbows and Vineyard Vines (or whatever's hot in the SEC these days). How can your HQ not support membership growth? They'd totally support new members, and some not crummy alumni might loan you a beach house to get better members.

Required reading doesn't include Machiavaelli's The Prince and Sun Tzu's The Art of War anymore? Real good information in those.

Bonus points for getting the Jersey Shore crowd in unsavory photos, and having your HQ kick them out administratively, saves you the work. They probably won't be mistaken for regular people with their Christian Audigier shirts and pooka shell necklaces. Let them plan a foam party, call the cops to bust it, and be elsewhere (say duck hunting in Stuttgart?) so you're innocent.

[JCunningham]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

Why not go and recruit members to your fraternity (you said your numbers were low) who would be potential colony members (your kind of people) and then over throw the guidos? If they are cut from the same cloth as you they may enjoy an insurrection to remove tanning and hair gel from Greek Life, and replace it with rainbows and Vineyard Vines (or whatever's hot in the SEC these days). How can your HQ not support membership growth? They'd totally support new members, and some not crummy alumni might loan you a beach house to get better members.

Required reading doesn't include Machiavaelli's The Prince and Sun Tzu's The Art of War anymore? Real good information in those.

Bonus points for getting the Jersey Shore crowd in unsavory photos, and having your HQ kick them out administratively, saves you the work. They probably won't be mistaken for regular people with their Christian Audigier shirts and pooka shell necklaces. Let them plan a foam party, call the cops to bust it, and be elsewhere (say duck hunting in Stuttgart?) so you're innocent.

Thats what we have been trying to do for the past year, we simply do not have the numbers to do it anymore. We literally could only get 4 out of 20 pledges which would be considered legitimate fraternity men on any southern campus. You can try to make change as much as you want, but without numbers your efforts will always be futile.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by JCunningham

Thats what we have been trying to do for the past year, we simply do not have the numbers to do it anymore. We literally could only get 4 out of 20 pledges which would be considered legitimate fraternity men on any southern campus. You can try to make change as much as you want, but without numbers your efforts will always be futile.

So where will these guys for the new fraternity come from, magically appear to be a decent group? it is a serious question, if you can't get people now, how will this other fraternity do that in a recolonization?

AND

How do you know that it won't be run by a dude from the chapter at say, Utah Clown College? You can't tell me that there isn't a risk of a consultant who thinks a fraternity should have a root beer keg and floats with a make your own sundae bar as a rush event. The people in that school's HQ may have a new program, Gentlemen United Intellectuals Defining Originality, and they can't wait to roll it out with the recolonized chapter who had all kinds of behavior in the past they didn't like.

If you can't recruit people into your own organization, why would you be successful with this new one? You can have all kinds of alumni cash, but you can only gold leaf a turd so many times.

[JCunningham]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

So where will these guys for the new fraternity come from, magically appear to be a decent group? it is a serious question, if you can't get people now, how will this other fraternity do that in a recolonization?

AND

How do you know that it won't be run by a dude from the chapter at say, Utah Clown College? You can't tell me that there isn't a risk of a consultant who thinks a fraternity should have a root beer keg and floats with a make your own sundae bar as a rush event. The people in that school's HQ may have a new program, Gentlemen United Intellectuals Defining Originality, and they can't wait to roll it out with the recolonized chapter who had all kinds of behavior in the past they didn't like.

If you can't recruit people into your own organization, why would you be successful with this new one? You can have all kinds of alumni cash, but you can only gold leaf a turd so many times.

You can't recruit good guys into an organization that is 80/20 terrible. You can recruit guys into an organization that while smaller, is quality through and through.

I am very familiar with our IFC's policies for having new colonies on campus and what that means. There will be no ice cream floats.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by JCunningham

You can't recruit good guys into an organization that is 80/20 terrible. You can recruit guys into an organization that while smaller, is quality through and through.

I am very familiar with our IFC's policies for having new colonies on campus and what that means. There will be no ice cream floats.

Did you miss what I said about stealth recruiting? You find like minded people and get them in on the plan. Do you not think your affiliation with your group may turn people away, since , in your words, it is terrible? Like I said, someone bid them, and that is going to follow you.

Being sneaky and devious is fun, you should try it, honestly.

[Gusteau]

Originally Posted by JCunningham

I am not being selfless. Do you think when I pledged and was initiated I wanted to do this? No. I did not. Sometimes things happen that are out of your control, and you need to act accordingly. I am not selfless, I am fully aware that I am betraying the values that have been laid down by my fraternity and the brothers which have founded it both nationally and on my campus. I am not proud, let alone selfless.

Let there be no confusion, I was not accusing you of being selfless

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

How do you know that it won't be run by a dude from the chapter at say, Utah Clown College? You can't tell me that there isn't a risk of a consultant who thinks a fraternity should have a root beer keg and floats with a make your own sundae bar as a rush event. The people in that school's HQ may have a new program, Gentlemen United Intellectuals Defining Originality, and they can't wait to roll it out with the recolonized chapter who had all kinds of behavior in the past they didn't like.

I think I remember Elephant Walk saying that HQ always sends "their weirdest yankees" around for colonization, lol.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by Gusteau

I think I remember Elephant Walk saying that HQ always sends "their weirdest yankees" around for colonization, lol.

Haha I did, and it's a fact.

Besides that, JC this is a dumb thread. I get trying to change it, but I would just go desperate and disaffiliate.

Oh and...

Let me out you:

You've done pretty well in the MLS these last couple years Jeff Cunningham, but I think you're a bit old to be posting about changing your fraternity around.


Oh and any bets on the actual house? I'm trying to think of the newer houses there. I thought he might be a Phi Sig for a bit from Arkansas.