Difficult Recolonization Question

[33girl]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Well, if breathesgelatin is around, she can fill us in on what happened at W&L when she was there -- there's a thread about somewhere around here. Definitely the exception, though.

I think that was a whole chapter though, not just the Ed Hardy-phobes.

Originally Posted by violetpretty

ETA: Out of 80 members, 15-20 who give a shit about the chapter and work to enact change ARE enough.

The problem with that concept is that according to him, the other 60 members are happy as clams. I haven't heard him say that they're hazing, or that they're raping 13 year olds, or snorting smack off each other's butts, or in dire straits financially. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with this chapter except for the fact that they're "Northern." This doesn't mean they don't give a shit about the chapter. Unless they're having trouble $$ wise or RM wise, the national isn't going to recolonize them just because they don't fit in with the perceived notions of what a "good" fraternity is on campus. That's not how men operate.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I think that was a whole chapter though, not just the Ed Hardy-phobes.

It was. And I think it was a whole chapter losing its charter, too.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by 33girl

The problem with that concept is that according to him, the other 60 members are happy as clams. I haven't heard him say that they're hazing, or that they're raping 13 year olds, or snorting smack off each other's butts, or in dire straits financially. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with this chapter except for the fact that they're "Northern." This doesn't mean they don't give a shit about the chapter. Unless they're having trouble $$ wise or RM wise, the national isn't going to recolonize them just because they don't fit in with the perceived notions of what a "good" fraternity is on campus. That's not how men operate.

Oh I agree...he hasn't said that there was an actual problem. I was just trying to make the point that 15-20 out of 80 is enough to make change, just in a general sense. To put it in Phired Up terms, 15-20 "horses" can make an impact in a chapter of 80 if the rest are mules.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by violetpretty

Oh I agree...he hasn't said that there was an actual problem. I was just trying to make the point that 15-20 out of 80 is enough to make change, just in a general sense. To put it in Phired Up terms, 15-20 "horses" can make an impact in a chapter of 80 if the rest are mules.

But they're not mules. They're horses of a different color. I agree with you, but that really is not the situation as good old JC has laid it out.

And as far as the men/women question...maybe there is one instance that made national news, but it sure as hell hasn't been the only instance that existed, and in that instance, it was clarified that financial problems were NOT a factor.