Is she pregnant?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with CG (partially) on this, but I think that the situation (strictly as 33girl described it, without any mitigating health factors) is using abortion as a form of birth control.

For most responsible people, it goes without saying that abortion should not be used as birth control. CG isn't just speaking on that extreme and the choices of the careless, though. She feels that even the most responsible approach to sex precludes abortion simply because having consensual sex means even the smallest possibility of pregnancy.

That is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by KSigkid

That said, I also agree with you that I think the choice is properly left with the woman/potential mother.

Yep.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

For most responsible people, it goes without saying that abortion should not be used as birth control. CG isn't just speaking on that extreme and the choices of the careless, though. She feels that even the most responsible approach to sex precludes abortion simply because having consensual sex means even the smallest possibility of pregnancy.

That is ridiculous.

I'll agree on that - it's a pretty unrealistic view on the whole topic.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I'll agree on that - it's a pretty unrealistic view on the whole topic.

Yep.

I'd also hate for this to become the "lets debate abortion" thread, because very few people can really have a logical debate about the topic. It just ends up being stupid.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

She feels that even the most responsible approach to sex precludes abortion simply because having consensual sex means even the smallest possibility of pregnancy.

This was an awkward and long sentence. Sheesh.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

This was an awkward and long sentence. Sheesh.

Eh, I understood what you were saying - everyone is entitled to an awkwardly-phrased thought.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Eh, I understood what you were saying - everyone is entitled to an awkwardly-phrased thought.

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

[VandalSquirrel]

I have a problem with people who use Plan B as birth control instead of using one or more readily available forms of birth control and using the Plan B for a real emergency situation, as it was intended. I have met college women who have been so intoxicated they weren't sure if they had sex or used any form of protection, so they take a Plan B after partying "just to be safe" because pregnancy is so much worse than herpes or HPV.

Plus it is much cheaper to buy condoms and something else (foam, sponge, so on) than it is for Plan B three time a month (yes, three times, once for every weekend, the other week she had her period so she knew she was okay). Plan B is $50 but you can buy it in bulk from www.drugstore.com with no prescription. I blame abstinence only sex education and lack of good information on how our bodies work for people abusing Plan B, let alone the idiocy of not being aware of sexual activity or protection due to alcohol and drug abuse.

Oh and here's a funny, right next to the register of my pharmacy is the sexual health area (Plan B, condoms, pregnancy & ovulation tests) and right next to the Plan B is a paternity test! The package has all kinds of information for using it for legal purposes in court, but wouldn't going on Maury be cheaper?

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

Oh and here's a funny, right next to the register of my pharmacy is the sexual health area (Plan B, condoms, pregnancy & ovulation tests) and right next to the Plan B is a paternity test! The package has all kinds of information for using it for legal purposes in court, but wouldn't going on Maury be cheaper?

Call me an idiot, but I seriously did not know that they sold paternity tests in the drugstore (I don't venture into that area of the store too often). How does that work? Is it all done at home or do you have to send the samples somewhere for a result?

I agree with you on the point about teens needing to learn about how to properly protect themselves and such. This reduces unplanned pregnancies drastically and we don't have to worry about abortion as birth control, plan B abuse/miseducation, etc.

[tld221]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

I have a problem with people who use Plan B as birth control instead of using one or more readily available forms of birth control and using the Plan B for a real emergency situation, as it was intended. I have met college women who have been so intoxicated they weren't sure if they had sex or used any form of protection, so they take a Plan B after partying "just to be safe" because pregnancy is so much worse than herpes or HPV.

Plus it is much cheaper to buy condoms and something else (foam, sponge, so on) than it is for Plan B three time a month (yes, three times, once for every weekend, the other week she had her period so she knew she was okay). Plan B is $50 but you can buy it in bulk from www.drugstore.com with no prescription. I blame abstinence only sex education and lack of good information on how our bodies work for people abusing Plan B, let alone the idiocy of not being aware of sexual activity or protection due to alcohol and drug abuse.

Oh and here's a funny, right next to the register of my pharmacy is the sexual health area (Plan B, condoms, pregnancy & ovulation tests) and right next to the Plan B is a paternity test! The package has all kinds of information for using it for legal purposes in court, but wouldn't going on Maury be cheaper?

I was waiting for this to come up. the first bolded part, that ish bugs me out. if you were that messed up that you cant remember having sex, there are problems. even more so if there isnt anyone around who was coherent enough to recall it for you.

doesnt popping Plan Bs after a wild and irresponsible night (or even as a "just in case") fall under recreational drug use, minus the high?

and as to the 2nd bolded part: eww, 3x a month? that has GOT to eff up your insides.

on an unrelated note, is there a way, medically, for sperm to be "deactivated" through drugs? i could imagine this would lead Joe Schoe to hit it raw all the time, but why should the woman take the brunt of altering her body when all the guy has to do is "wrap it up" (and then some of them mess that up)?

[off soapbox]

[33girl]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

Plus it is much cheaper to buy condoms and something else (foam, sponge, so on) than it is for Plan B three time a month (yes, three times, once for every weekend, the other week she had her period so she knew she was okay). Plan B is $50 but you can buy it in bulk from www.drugstore.com with no prescription.

Isn't that really bad for you? I mean, wouldn't the super duper dose of hormones that Plan B gives you totally eff up your system after a while? This is going to be like everyone who used an IUD ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww and ended up sterile.