Is she pregnant?

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Having an abortion because you were on the pill and it didn't work (somebody has to be that 56/100%) is NOT using abortion as a form of birth control.

If it's not a rape or a health issue then YES it is a form of birth control. I don't care if it's with or without a condom, pill or no pill, having sex equals the possibility of pregnancy. They can take those stats and shove them where the sun doesn't shine. If you REALLY don't want any kids, then STOP HAVING SEX. Period. I don't want to judge anyone, because I don't know everyones situation. I also can't say I'm following my own advice because I enjoy having sex, but at the same time if I were to end up pregnant I wouldn't get an abortion. It's wrong and it is a form of birth control.

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

Sometimes people use protection, it fails, and have an abortion because they have other health conditions or are taking medications that would affect the fetus or their health. I'm taking three medications at the moment that are not healthy for a fetus or during breastfeeding, and I told a man in my life that until I'm off those medications I am not interested in a physical relationship as I am not okay with getting pregnant and being faced with a) an abortion b) going off my medication and having poor health while pregnant c) taking the chance there aren't birth defects d) having a miscarriage if I chose to continue a pregnancy that didn't start out healthy. Not all women who take medications that are unsafe for fetuses will make the same choice I do, but sometimes things happen and just be glad it isn't happening to you.

If I have health issues, then I'm not having sex. Dry hump or something.

That's good you told him you didn't want a relationship. A lot of people aren't like you so they wouldn't care. The joy of having sex is more important to them.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

If it's not a rape or a health issue then YES it is a form of birth control. I don't care if it's with or without a condom, pill or no pill, having sex equals the possibility of pregnancy. They can take those stats and shove them where the sun doesn't shine. If you REALLY don't want any kids, then STOP HAVING SEX. Period. I don't want to judge anyone, because I don't know everyones situation. I also can't say I'm following my own advice because I enjoy having sex, but at the same time if I were to end up pregnant I wouldn't get an abortion. It's wrong and it is a form of birth control.

Thank goodness your opinion only guides YOUR vagina and YOUR womb.

Thank goodness women have the choice of not being stuck with a pregnancy despite taking the necessary precautions. In fact, it's still their business and their choice even if they were careless and stupid.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Thank goodness your opinion only guides YOUR vagina and YOUR womb.

Thank goodness women have the choice of not being stuck with a pregnancy despite taking the necessary precautions. In fact, it's still their business and their choice even if they were careless and stupid.

I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with CG (partially) on this, but I think that the situation (strictly as 33girl described it, without any mitigating health factors) is using abortion as a form of birth control.

That said, I also agree with you that I think the choice is properly left with the woman/potential mother.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with CG (partially) on this, but I think that the situation (strictly as 33girl described it, without any mitigating health factors) is using abortion as a form of birth control.

For most responsible people, it goes without saying that abortion should not be used as birth control. CG isn't just speaking on that extreme and the choices of the careless, though. She feels that even the most responsible approach to sex precludes abortion simply because having consensual sex means even the smallest possibility of pregnancy.

That is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by KSigkid

That said, I also agree with you that I think the choice is properly left with the woman/potential mother.

Yep.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

For most responsible people, it goes without saying that abortion should not be used as birth control. CG isn't just speaking on that extreme and the choices of the careless, though. She feels that even the most responsible approach to sex precludes abortion simply because having consensual sex means even the smallest possibility of pregnancy.

That is ridiculous.

I'll agree on that - it's a pretty unrealistic view on the whole topic.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I'll agree on that - it's a pretty unrealistic view on the whole topic.

Yep.

I'd also hate for this to become the "lets debate abortion" thread, because very few people can really have a logical debate about the topic. It just ends up being stupid.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

She feels that even the most responsible approach to sex precludes abortion simply because having consensual sex means even the smallest possibility of pregnancy.

This was an awkward and long sentence. Sheesh.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

This was an awkward and long sentence. Sheesh.

Eh, I understood what you were saying - everyone is entitled to an awkwardly-phrased thought.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Eh, I understood what you were saying - everyone is entitled to an awkwardly-phrased thought.

Thanks for the vote of confidence.