Race & Sororities

deepimpact2 · #1 05-20-2009, 01:19 PM

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...,58980,00.html

GEORGIA
Athens 2000 A member of the Alpha Gamma Delta sorority filed a racial discrimination complaint when other members insisted on rejecting a black freshman applicant. The University of Georgia temporarily suspended the sorority during an investigation.
Hanover 2000 A Dartmouth sorority held a "slave auction" fundraiser.
Hanover 10/98 More than 400 dartmouth students protest against a fraternity-sorority "ghetto party" where students were urged to dress as inner-city blacks

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=165763&sectioncode=26
These are just a few incidents involving predominately white sororities and fraternities. It's not just hearsay or instinct or gossip, and for the record I have never read Pledged so you need to stop even bringing that up.

SWTXBelle · #2 05-20-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...,58980,00.html

GEORGIA
Athens 2000 A member of the Alpha Gamma Delta sorority filed a racial discrimination complaint when other members insisted on rejecting a black freshman applicant. The University of Georgia temporarily suspended the sorority during an investigation.
Hanover 2000 A Dartmouth sorority held a "slave auction" fundraiser.
Hanover 10/98 More than 400 dartmouth students protest against a fraternity-sorority "ghetto party" where students were urged to dress as inner-city blacks

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=165763&sectioncode=26
These are just a few incidents involving predominately white sororities and fraternities. It's not just hearsay or instinct or gossip, and for the record I have never read Pledged so you need to stop even bringing that up.

So are we discussing race as a criteria for selection? If so, only one of your posts is relevent - and filing a lawsuit proves nothing. The article you cite is 9 years old, and we aren't told the result of it. What if AGD was proven innocent? The article ends in a discussion of the dialogue engendered by the incident, so 9 years later one would hope - and barring any other evidence to the contrary, believe, that the campus has made progress.

Whether or not you read "Pledged" is not the point - the point is that you still cite what "everybody knows". Bringing in random articles about racially insensitive actions by individual chapters is a little off-topic and a great deal desperate. Obviously you are far too invested in the idea that NPC membership selection simply must be racist. Why, I can't say, but it's a little sad. So I'm done - I think my posts speak to the issue at hand, and if you want to go off on some racially charged tangent I'd suggest starting a new thread, or bumping an old one.

Nothing new to see here, move along.

KSUViolet06 · #3 05-20-2009, 01:39 PM

So, in summary:

deepimpact2: NPC sororites are racist against black women and hide behind their membership selection processes, and make life miserable for the black women that do join.

Rest of GC: No.

deepimpact2: YES THEY DO. It's MY OPINION..

SWTXBelle · #4 05-20-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

So, in summary:

deepimpact2: NPC sororites are racist against black women and hide behind their membership selection processes, and make life miserable for the black women that do join.

Rest of GC: No.

deepimpact2: YES THEY DO. It's MY OPINION..

Don't forget - LOOK - HERE ARE RACIALLY INSENSITIVE ACTIONS BY GLOS!

eta - gonna have to tell my black Phi Mu AP buddy that she must be lying about her experience - how could it have been so great? Obviously, she is in denial. Condi Rice must be, too.

DrPhil · #5 05-20-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Don't forget - LOOK - HERE ARE RACIALLY INSENSITIVE ACTIONS BY GLOS!

eta - gonna have to tell my black Phi Mu AP buddy that she must be lying about her experience - how could it have been so great? Obviously, she is in denial. Condi Rice must be, too.

I don't recall deepimpact ever saying ALL, she said it has happened and cited some instances. I don't see where her posts are too different than the people who typed about OleMiss. Her posts are being responded to this way because she's an outsider typing about the NPC versus an NPCer typing about it.

Of course, there are plenty of women who aren't white who have a positive NPC experience.

So, within this context, your Phi Mu buddy and Condi Rice are akin to "some of my bestfriends are black." It's like dismissing that racism and discrimination exist in society because there's a Black POTUS.

SWTXBelle · #6 05-20-2009, 03:18 PM

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So, within this context, your Phi Mu buddy and Condi Rice are akin to "some of my bestfriends are black." It's like dismissing that racism and discrimination exist in society because there's a Black POTUS.

I need a tongue-in-cheek icon - yep, I know it reeks of "sombfab!", and its use was ironic. Sorry.

eta - Upon reflection - no. It's not the same. If, as di3 does, you are trying to argue that NPC sororities are racist, then citing NPC members who are not white is simply a support of an assertion.

I'd clarify further by saying this - While Obama's election does not prove that racism does not exist, it does prove that it may be overcome. While black members of NPC groups do not prove that racism does not exist at all, it does prove that it may not be an issue in all chapters.

SWTXBelle · #7 05-20-2009, 03:20 PM

So to wrap it all up - (I've got to run to carpool). Can we agree:

1.) The op should go through recruitment if she is truly interested in investigating the NPC.

2.) Race could be an issue in membership selection. Or not. We don't know.

How's that? Let's all join hands and sing now!

DrPhil · #8 05-20-2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

eta - Upon reflection - no. It's not the same. If, as di3 does, you are trying to argue that NPC sororities are racist, then citing NPC members who are not white is simply a support of an assertion.

No smart person would argue that NPC sororities are racist. That's just a dumb assertion. It is unfounded and cannot be proven. If that's deepimpact's claim then you all should ignore this thread, altogether.

However, the response to accused racist practices is not "I have ONE friend." The female CEO is the minority, for a number of reasons, so anyone who cites her as proof that gender discrimination and exclusion don't exist or have substantially declined in corporate America, would be a fool.

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I'd clarify further by saying this - While Obama's election does not prove that racism does not exist, it does prove that it may be overcome. While black members of NPC groups do not prove that racism does not exist at all, it does prove that it may not be an issue in all chapters.

Bolded 1: No, it doesn't. It proves that white people don't mind "sharing" sometimes. If you piss the white people off, though, they can still take their ball and go home.

Bolded 2: Again, DUH.

And don't forget that our chapters aren't humanless entities. Their traditions are contingent upon the people within them. A chapter that was open to different sexual orientations when I was in school 10 years ago can be the most homophobic and heterocentric chapter now. The socially conscious people graduated and new members have taken over.

deepimpact2 · #9 05-20-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

So, in summary:

deepimpact2: NPC sororites are racist against black women and hide behind their membership selection processes, and make life miserable for the black women that do join.

Rest of GC: No.

deepimpact2: YES THEY DO. It's MY OPINION..

Wrong.

deepimpact2 · #10 05-20-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

So are we discussing race as a criteria for selection? If so, only one of your posts is relevent - and filing a lawsuit proves nothing. The article you cite is 9 years old, and we aren't told the result of it. What if AGD was proven innocent? The article ends in a discussion of the dialogue engendered by the incident, so 9 years later one would hope - and barring any other evidence to the contrary, believe, that the campus has made progress.

Whether or not you read "Pledged" is not the point - the point is that you still cite what "everybody knows". Bringing in random articles about racially insensitive actions by individual chapters is a little off-topic and a great deal desperate. Obviously you are far too invested in the idea that NPC membership selection simply must be racist. Why, I can't say, but it's a little sad. So I'm done - I think my posts speak to the issue at hand, and if you want to go off on some racially charged tangent I'd suggest starting a new thread, or bumping an old one.

Nothing new to see here, move along.

No. It isn't desperate and you know that. You and some others said I was only going on hearsay and speculation and instinct. I used that information to thow you otherwise.

This thread went off on a racial tangent some time ago, but once information starts being posted that shows examples of racial incidents, you are suddenly "done."

MysticCat · #11 05-20-2009, 02:16 PM

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This thread went off on a racial tangent some time ago, but once information starts being posted that shows examples of racial incidents, you are suddenly "done."

I can't believe I'm wading into this mess, but . . .

How can a thread entitled "Race & Sororities" go off on a racial tangent?

deepimpact2 · #12 05-20-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat

I can't believe I'm wading into this mess, but . . .

How can a thread entitled "Race & Sororities" go off on a racial tangent?

Ask SWTXBELLE. She said the thread is moving off into a racially charged tangent.

MysticCat · #13 05-20-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Ask SWTXBELLE. She said the thread is moving off into a racially charged tangent.

No, she suggested what she thought you might want to do if you "want to go off on some racially charged tangent." A racially charged tangent is different from a racial tangent, it seems to me.

But whatever . . . back to the dumbness that is this thread.

deepimpact2 · #14 05-20-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat

No, she suggested what she thought you might want to do if you "want to go off on some racially charged tangent." A racially charged tangent is different from a racial tangent, it seems to me.

But whatever . . . back to the dumbness that is this thread.

Well as you pointed out, the title of the thread would indicate that the thread would be about race.

I think the thread was already racially charged because of the original question.

SWTXBelle · #15 05-20-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat

No, she suggested what she thought you might want to do if you "want to go off on some racially charged tangent." A racially charged tangent is different from a racial tangent, it seems to me.

But whatever . . . back to the dumbness that is this thread.

Thank you, MC, for actually reading what I wrote. Sometimes I feel like I am banging my head against an internet wall.