Race & Sororities

[KSUViolet06]

So, in summary:

deepimpact2: NPC sororites are racist against black women and hide behind their membership selection processes, and make life miserable for the black women that do join.

Rest of GC: No.

deepimpact2: YES THEY DO. It's MY OPINION..

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

So, in summary:

deepimpact2: NPC sororites are racist against black women and hide behind their membership selection processes, and make life miserable for the black women that do join.

Rest of GC: No.

deepimpact2: YES THEY DO. It's MY OPINION..

Don't forget - LOOK - HERE ARE RACIALLY INSENSITIVE ACTIONS BY GLOS!

eta - gonna have to tell my black Phi Mu AP buddy that she must be lying about her experience - how could it have been so great? Obviously, she is in denial. Condi Rice must be, too.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Don't forget - LOOK - HERE ARE RACIALLY INSENSITIVE ACTIONS BY GLOS!

eta - gonna have to tell my black Phi Mu AP buddy that she must be lying about her experience - how could it have been so great? Obviously, she is in denial. Condi Rice must be, too.

I don't recall deepimpact ever saying ALL, she said it has happened and cited some instances. I don't see where her posts are too different than the people who typed about OleMiss. Her posts are being responded to this way because she's an outsider typing about the NPC versus an NPCer typing about it.

Of course, there are plenty of women who aren't white who have a positive NPC experience.

So, within this context, your Phi Mu buddy and Condi Rice are akin to "some of my bestfriends are black." It's like dismissing that racism and discrimination exist in society because there's a Black POTUS.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

So, within this context, your Phi Mu buddy and Condi Rice are akin to "some of my bestfriends are black." It's like dismissing that racism and discrimination exist in society because there's a Black POTUS.

I need a tongue-in-cheek icon - yep, I know it reeks of "sombfab!", and its use was ironic. Sorry.

eta - Upon reflection - no. It's not the same. If, as di3 does, you are trying to argue that NPC sororities are racist, then citing NPC members who are not white is simply a support of an assertion.

I'd clarify further by saying this - While Obama's election does not prove that racism does not exist, it does prove that it may be overcome. While black members of NPC groups do not prove that racism does not exist at all, it does prove that it may not be an issue in all chapters.

[SWTXBelle]

So to wrap it all up - (I've got to run to carpool). Can we agree:

1.) The op should go through recruitment if she is truly interested in investigating the NPC.

2.) Race could be an issue in membership selection. Or not. We don't know.


How's that? Let's all join hands and sing now!

[baci]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

So to wrap it all up - (I've got to run to carpool). Can we agree:

1.) The op should go through recruitment if she is truly interested in investigating the NPC.

2.) Race could be an issue in membership selection. Or not. We don't know.


How's that? Let's all join hands and sing now!

Amen, sister!

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

So to wrap it all up - (I've got to run to carpool). Can we agree:

1.) The op should go through recruitment if she is truly interested in investigating the NPC.

2.) Race could be an issue in membership selection. Or not. We don't know.


How's that? Let's all join hands and sing now!

I will agree that the OP needs to investigate ALL of the orgs on campus in order to make a determination about which one she wants to join.
I will agree that race is sometimes an issue in membership selection in any organization.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

eta - Upon reflection - no. It's not the same. If, as di3 does, you are trying to argue that NPC sororities are racist, then citing NPC members who are not white is simply a support of an assertion.

No smart person would argue that NPC sororities are racist. That's just a dumb assertion. It is unfounded and cannot be proven. If that's deepimpact's claim then you all should ignore this thread, altogether.

However, the response to accused racist practices is not "I have ONE friend." The female CEO is the minority, for a number of reasons, so anyone who cites her as proof that gender discrimination and exclusion don't exist or have substantially declined in corporate America, would be a fool.

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I'd clarify further by saying this - While Obama's election does not prove that racism does not exist, it does prove that it may be overcome. While black members of NPC groups do not prove that racism does not exist at all, it does prove that it may not be an issue in all chapters.

Bolded 1: No, it doesn't. It proves that white people don't mind "sharing" sometimes. If you piss the white people off, though, they can still take their ball and go home.

Bolded 2: Again, DUH.
And don't forget that our chapters aren't humanless entities. Their traditions are contingent upon the people within them. A chapter that was open to different sexual orientations when I was in school 10 years ago can be the most homophobic and heterocentric chapter now. The socially conscious people graduated and new members have taken over.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

No smart person would argue that NPC sororities are racist. That's just a dumb assertion. It is unfounded and cannot be proven. If that's deepimpact's claim then you all should ignore this thread, altogether.

However, the response to accused racist practices is not "I have ONE friend." The female CEO is the minority, for a number of reasons, so anyone who cites her as proof that gender discrimination and exclusion don't exist or have substantially declined in corporate America, would be a fool.



Bolded 1: No, it doesn't. It proves that white people don't mind "sharing" sometimes. If you piss the white people off, though, they can still take their ball and go home.

Bolded 2: Again, DUH.
And don't forget that our chapters aren't humanless entities. Their traditions are contingent upon the people within them. A chapter that was open to different sexual orientations when I was in school 10 years ago can be the most homophobic and heterocentric chapter now. The socially conscious people graduated and new members have taken over.

"Sharing"? Really? That makes me sad. But surely you aren't arguing that Obama didn't have to overcome racism - right? I will admit he had a very strong hand - he is intelligent, well- educated, what is it Joe Biden said, "clean"? But I don't think whites said "Oh, let's share." I still think it fair to say he overcame racism to achieve his success. It doesn't mean others don't still struggle - but even he, with all of his advantages, couldn't have been elected a mere 40 years ago. Things, thank God, change.

As to your second point - YES. And a previously racist chapter/campus can also change. That is why I want to encourage the OP to go for it. Clinging to the past is a poor excuse to not go forth boldly and create the future you wish to see.

And yes, much of my posting has been of the DUH variety. Just because you are sharp, Dr.Phil, doesn't mean all are.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

"Sharing"? Really?

Absolutely.

And thanks for reminding us all that people think that intelligent and well-educated Black men are so rare that people can't get the hell over Obama. Certainly a white man wouldn't get acknowledgement over something that basic.

Thank God that I was raised by an intelligent and well-educated Black man and am surrounded by the same kind of Black men in my family and in my friendships.

Whew-----

ETA: Obama hasn't overcome racism. Racial and ethnic minorities do not overcome racism through attainment.
"What do you call a Black CEO?"
"What do you call a Black PhD?"

[AOII_LB93]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Bolded 1: No, it doesn't. It proves that white people don't mind "sharing" sometimes. If you piss the white people off, though, they can still take their ball and go home.

When any person gets pissed off they may take their ball and go home, not just white people...what a stupid comment to make.

What's offensive in this thread? Calling NPCs "white sororities" and saying that it doesn't matter that membership selection is confidential.

It does matter...members can deny PNMs for whatever reason, and they may be stupid or good...but you know what? It's up to the collegiate members to choose their membership. Period. If those women choose to extend membership to Goths, Lesbians, Disabled, whatever, that is their choice to make, not anyone elses and it getting beaten to deal a million times over on this message board isn't going to change that.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AOII_LB93

When any person gets pissed off they may take their ball and go home...

If they own a ball.

Originally Posted by AOII_LB93

What's offensive in this thread? Calling NPCs "white sororities"

"Predominantly white sororities" and "historically white sororities"

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AOII_LB93

what a stupid comment to make.

You should've left this part out.

You're clearly too dumb to realize what my statement means. So, shut up.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

So, in summary:

deepimpact2: NPC sororites are racist against black women and hide behind their membership selection processes, and make life miserable for the black women that do join.

Rest of GC: No.

deepimpact2: YES THEY DO. It's MY OPINION..

Wrong.