Race & Sororities

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

But . ..but . ..didn't you read "Pledged"? You KNOW that's true, so OF COURSE all the stories you hear are true!


eta - I do sometimes wonder about motivation. Hmmm . . . how could it benefit NPHC members to make pnms of colour think they will not have a chance at NPC recruitment, or if they do get a bid they will get hazed? It is a sad fact that even within the hallowed halls of NPC some chapters will discuss other chapters in such a way as to make pursuing membership with the other chapters sound impossible or negative. While recognizing that most NPHC members have far too much justifible pride in their own GLOs to stoop to trash talking the NPC, I have to ask why else would someone be so vehement about NPC membership selection being racist?

eta yet again - Ideally, any pnm would feel free to research both NPC and NPHC memberships and make her choice based on the very different but equally beneficial experiences offered by the groups. That's why I hate the continuing spreading of half-truths and rumours. If quality women of colour don't go through NPC recruitment, the cycle will not end. So at the end of the day, I want to encourage women of every colour to pursue membership in the group they feel will be their true sisterhood. That's my motivation.

I'm amazed at the fact that you continue to sum it all up by saying that quality black women don't apply. WOW. Like I said before, the lack of acceptance is always done in a genteel manner. And the excuse is always that the person wasn't of "quality." lol

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

I'm amazed at the fact that you continue to sum it all up by saying that quality black women don't apply. WOW. Like I said before, the lack of acceptance is always done in a genteel manner. And the excuse is always that the person wasn't of "quality." lol

If that's what you got out of my posting, you need to work on your reading comprehension. I gave you the specific example of Southern Methodist University, where it was indeed the case that no black women had applied when the NPC groups were being roasted in the press. I cited a very specific example to back up my assertion. You should try it some time.

And FYI - of course all of our pnms who are not invited (the literally hundreds every chapter at a major system has to cut) are done so in a genteel manner. There are no "excuses" given - none needed. Membership selection is private and you, deepimpact, have NO EXPERIENCE OR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT ENTAILS.

I am encouraging women to pursue NPC membership with an open mind - what is it exactly you are doing?

[deepimpact2]

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...,58980,00.html

GEORGIA
Athens 2000 A member of the Alpha Gamma Delta sorority filed a racial discrimination complaint when other members insisted on rejecting a black freshman applicant. The University of Georgia temporarily suspended the sorority during an investigation.
Hanover 2000 A Dartmouth sorority held a "slave auction" fundraiser.
Hanover 10/98 More than 400 dartmouth students protest against a fraternity-sorority "ghetto party" where students were urged to dress as inner-city blacks

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=165763&sectioncode=26
These are just a few incidents involving predominately white sororities and fraternities. It's not just hearsay or instinct or gossip, and for the record I have never read Pledged so you need to stop even bringing that up.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...,58980,00.html

GEORGIA
Athens 2000 A member of the Alpha Gamma Delta sorority filed a racial discrimination complaint when other members insisted on rejecting a black freshman applicant. The University of Georgia temporarily suspended the sorority during an investigation.
Hanover 2000 A Dartmouth sorority held a "slave auction" fundraiser.
Hanover 10/98 More than 400 dartmouth students protest against a fraternity-sorority "ghetto party" where students were urged to dress as inner-city blacks

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=165763&sectioncode=26
These are just a few incidents involving predominately white sororities and fraternities. It's not just hearsay or instinct or gossip, and for the record I have never read Pledged so you need to stop even bringing that up.

So are we discussing race as a criteria for selection? If so, only one of your posts is relevent - and filing a lawsuit proves nothing. The article you cite is 9 years old, and we aren't told the result of it. What if AGD was proven innocent? The article ends in a discussion of the dialogue engendered by the incident, so 9 years later one would hope - and barring any other evidence to the contrary, believe, that the campus has made progress.

Whether or not you read "Pledged" is not the point - the point is that you still cite what "everybody knows". Bringing in random articles about racially insensitive actions by individual chapters is a little off-topic and a great deal desperate. Obviously you are far too invested in the idea that NPC membership selection simply must be racist. Why, I can't say, but it's a little sad. So I'm done - I think my posts speak to the issue at hand, and if you want to go off on some racially charged tangent I'd suggest starting a new thread, or bumping an old one.

Nothing new to see here, move along.

[KSUViolet06]

So, in summary:

deepimpact2: NPC sororites are racist against black women and hide behind their membership selection processes, and make life miserable for the black women that do join.

Rest of GC: No.

deepimpact2: YES THEY DO. It's MY OPINION..

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

So, in summary:

deepimpact2: NPC sororites are racist against black women and hide behind their membership selection processes, and make life miserable for the black women that do join.

Rest of GC: No.

deepimpact2: YES THEY DO. It's MY OPINION..

Don't forget - LOOK - HERE ARE RACIALLY INSENSITIVE ACTIONS BY GLOS!

eta - gonna have to tell my black Phi Mu AP buddy that she must be lying about her experience - how could it have been so great? Obviously, she is in denial. Condi Rice must be, too.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Don't forget - LOOK - HERE ARE RACIALLY INSENSITIVE ACTIONS BY GLOS!

eta - gonna have to tell my black Phi Mu AP buddy that she must be lying about her experience - how could it have been so great? Obviously, she is in denial. Condi Rice must be, too.

I don't recall deepimpact ever saying ALL, she said it has happened and cited some instances. I don't see where her posts are too different than the people who typed about OleMiss. Her posts are being responded to this way because she's an outsider typing about the NPC versus an NPCer typing about it.

Of course, there are plenty of women who aren't white who have a positive NPC experience.

So, within this context, your Phi Mu buddy and Condi Rice are akin to "some of my bestfriends are black." It's like dismissing that racism and discrimination exist in society because there's a Black POTUS.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

So, in summary:

deepimpact2: NPC sororites are racist against black women and hide behind their membership selection processes, and make life miserable for the black women that do join.

Rest of GC: No.

deepimpact2: YES THEY DO. It's MY OPINION..

Wrong.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

So are we discussing race as a criteria for selection? If so, only one of your posts is relevent - and filing a lawsuit proves nothing. The article you cite is 9 years old, and we aren't told the result of it. What if AGD was proven innocent? The article ends in a discussion of the dialogue engendered by the incident, so 9 years later one would hope - and barring any other evidence to the contrary, believe, that the campus has made progress.

Whether or not you read "Pledged" is not the point - the point is that you still cite what "everybody knows". Bringing in random articles about racially insensitive actions by individual chapters is a little off-topic and a great deal desperate. Obviously you are far too invested in the idea that NPC membership selection simply must be racist. Why, I can't say, but it's a little sad. So I'm done - I think my posts speak to the issue at hand, and if you want to go off on some racially charged tangent I'd suggest starting a new thread, or bumping an old one.

Nothing new to see here, move along.

No. It isn't desperate and you know that. You and some others said I was only going on hearsay and speculation and instinct. I used that information to thow you otherwise.


This thread went off on a racial tangent some time ago, but once information starts being posted that shows examples of racial incidents, you are suddenly "done."

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

This thread went off on a racial tangent some time ago, but once information starts being posted that shows examples of racial incidents, you are suddenly "done."

I can't believe I'm wading into this mess, but . . .

How can a thread entitled "Race & Sororities" go off on a racial tangent?

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I can't believe I'm wading into this mess, but . . .

How can a thread entitled "Race & Sororities" go off on a racial tangent?

Ask SWTXBELLE. She said the thread is moving off into a racially charged tangent.