Kappa Beta Gamma/Kappa Delta

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by OTW

When was the last time anyone updated the website? 2004? Is it that hard to update a website? I think not.

A few months ago, I don't know if it was BootyKBG or another member, but a member said that they are committed to their plans to expand to more and more campuses. If that's true, then why no updated website? That's the first thing people look at when they want to know more about you.

Instead of national officers putting former chapters and members on blast, perhaps they might find better use of their time improving their leadership and internal affairs of their organization.

Actually, the website is a bit updated (just still looks old). I clicked the link in one of the earlier posts prior to today and their website was about 2 pages. Now there's links for alumni, "members only", how to start a chapter, national officer contact info, pictures of chapters and alumni (the photo properties are dated today). I believe this thread has brought inspiration and a sense of urgency to some folks!

[DSTCHAOS]

<------ thought "1951 joiner" was in reference to pledge year. Didn't think 33girl had been a member that long so I am glad that I now know a little of what that means.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

By the way, I looked at the "What's New?" section of the KGB website and found something really funny.
http://www.kappabetagamma.org/News.htm

Even better: http://www.kappabetagamma.org/Photo%...u%20Photos.htm

[33girl]

I can think of NPC groups (yeah, one of them was mine) who went a similarly long time without updating their websites. Who had few, if any, traveling consultants.

No one came on here and cracked on them or said "wow, isn't that funny."

It wasn't someone from KBG who brought up the question of whether this chapter was disloyal or whether they had conducted things as they should, it was someone who had no dog in the fight (so to speak). KD members defended their new sisters, and a KBG member responded with their side of the story.

And like I said, if I seem leaning a little more to one side than the other, it's because my sorority has had issues with promises made by NPC and not followed through.

[NutBrnHair]

Originally Posted by 33girl

And like I said, if I seem leaning a little more to one side than the other, it's because my sorority has had issues with promises made by NPC and not followed through.

From 1951??

[chitownxo]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I can think of NPC groups (yeah, one of them was mine) who went a similarly long time without updating their websites. Who had few, if any, traveling consultants.

While we always (since I've been a member) have had traveling consultants, there was a time when our website was very out-of-date, and I'm pretty sure Chi Omega has more resources available than Kappa Beta Gamma. At any rate, KBG is in the process of updating their website; it should go live in a month or so.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I can think of NPC groups (yeah, one of them was mine) who went a similarly long time without updating their websites. Who had few, if any, traveling consultants.

No one came on here and cracked on them or said "wow, isn't that funny."

It wasn't someone from KBG who brought up the question of whether this chapter was disloyal or whether they had conducted things as they should, it was someone who had no dog in the fight (so to speak). KD members defended their new sisters, and a KBG member responded with their side of the story.

And like I said, if I seem leaning a little more to one side than the other, it's because my sorority has had issues with promises made by NPC and not followed through.

They may not have started the topic, but the KBG member sure added flames to the fire by trying to sully the name of their former members. I certainly don't find the need to kick a weaker person when their down, but give me a break. BootyKBG claims that they were doing so much to help their Nu chapter, but it's fairly evident that they didn't do as much as they claim. The "What's New?" page just points out that a lot of things were left undone...maybe supporting their chapter when they needed it was one of those things. And by the way, this situation is nothing like the AES situation so get over it! Is Alpha Sigma Alpha worse off or permanently scared from what happened? Are you stronger today than you were before?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

And by the way, this situation is nothing like the AES situation so get over it! Is Alpha Sigma Alpha worse off or permanently scared from what happened? Are you stronger today than you were before?

Umm, actually I think it probably is a lot like the AES situation, in terms of NPC saying they would do something and didn't.

And yeah - we probably did lose some chapters that we wouldn't have lost if that hadn't happened. I can't speak for the other AES groups, but I'm guessing they did as well.

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ad.php?t=23968

[Just interested]

I have always wondered this, and 33 girl maybe you can answer this question. I know Zeta and KD were relatively late joining NPC in the early days. I believe Zeta joined in 09 and KD in 1912. As far as KD was concerned, I know there was much discussion about losing their Alpha chapter at Longwood and other chapters at schools that did not fit the NPC criteria. Did ASA and Tri Sigma have the same option but chose the other path of forming AES with other groups founded at Normal schools instead? Was it discussed and decided against by the early leaders?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Just interested

I have always wondered this, and 33 girl , maybe you can answer this question. I know Zeta and KD were relatively late joining NPC in the early days. I believe Zeta joined in 09 and KD in 1912. As far as KD was concerned, I know there was much discussion about losing their Alpha chapter at Longwood and other chapters at schools that did not fit the NPC criteria. Did ASA and Tri Sigma have the same option but chose the other path of forming AES with other groups founded at Normal schools instead? Was it discussed and decided against by the early leaders?

I have my Encounter on my lap so this is a direct quote, not even I am this big of a history geek. "During June 1915, considerable correspondence passed between the President of ASA and the National Council of SSS relative to the formation of an association of social educational sororities. Both groups were receptive to the idea and the Association of Educational Sororities was formed in September, 1915."

And you have to remember at this time...our national president was Ida Shaw Martin...aka Sarah Ida Shaw, one of the founders of Tri Delta. So that's another thing in the whole mix and probably one of the reasons we didn't go NPC at that time. Hopefully one of the Tri Sigmas can weigh in on why they decided to also not pursue the NPC avenue then.

[Just interested]

I think you are exactly right. Ida Shaw Martin probably did have something to do with it. She and others probably had no idea that Normal Schools would one day become 4 year institutions or even become full-fledged universities for that matter.

[PhiRhoSister]

There are really 2 issues here. The first is, a chapter (or a large group of women in the chapter) of a national sorority "shopping" for a new national sorority. The second is, a NPC sorority accepting for membership initiated members/chapter of another national sorority.

On the first issue, almost everything that others and former members have said why the former KBG chapters were justified in shopping for a new national sorority, has at one time or another occurred in my small national sorority. Fortunately, instead of taking the easy way out and giving up, the chapters which have been most frustrated have had members step up to the plate and help the sorority become better. For example, one chapter wanted nationals to provide the leadership training that had been lacking for years -- the active/alum members of this chapter basically helped form the leadership training program we now have, then helped establish our leadership conferences, and continue to volunteer with leading the leadership training.

For the second issue, I started a new thread -- so flame away on the new thread.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by PhiRhoSister

For example, one chapter wanted nationals to provide the leadership training that had been lacking for years -- the active/alum members of this chapter basically helped form the leadership training program we now have, then helped establish our leadership conferences, and continue to volunteer with leading the leadership training.

Granted, and I agree that would be a great way to handle a chapter that needs help if the nationals can't (or won't) step in.

But in at least the F&M's chapter's situation, it was such a young chapter, they didn't have any kind of alum base around them to look to for help or wisdom. AND they kept hearing from nationals, "it's coming, it's coming", so the undergrads probably didn't assume it was their place to just come up with their own materials (nor would they have had any experience to do so).

[PhiRhoSister]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Granted, and I agree that would be a great way to handle a chapter that needs help if the nationals can't (or won't) step in.

But in at least the F&M's chapter's situation, it was such a young chapter, they didn't have any kind of alum base around them to look to for help or wisdom. AND they kept hearing from nationals, "it's coming, it's coming", so the undergrads probably didn't assume it was their place to just come up with their own materials (nor would they have had any experience to do so).

nittanyalum - In the example I gave about leadership training, the chapter was less than 5 years old at the time and only had a handful of alum. Thus, younger and smaller.

[Low C Sharp]

it's because my sorority has had issues with promises made by NPC and not followed through.

And if your sorority had responded to those broken promises by separating itself from the NPC, I would say, "Good for you." You shouldn't stay in a relationship that's not mutually beneficial.

Look, vows matter, but sometimes the "marriage" between a group of individuals and a national organization just doesn't work out. Suppose your husband were breaking promises to you, taking your money, ignoring your needs, etc., and he didn't change after a year of counseling and trying to improve the relationship. If you decided to leave him and marry somebody who treated you better, I certainly wouldn't judge you for breaking your vow. That's what the KBG girls did. I say, good for them.
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