Kappa Beta Gamma/Kappa Delta

[lucgreek]

Originally Posted by 33girl

The chapter was not released by KBG national. The girls did not "disassociate" - what they did made the chapter disappear. If they didn't want to be in KBG, they could have terminated themselves from KBG and started an interest group for a new NPC sorority. The problem is that would have taken time, getting recognized, etc, and apparently "don't care how, I want it now!!" You say that there are girls who didn't want the switch - why couldn't they have kept the KBG chapter alive? It sounds like the girls who went to KKG shit talked KBG to LUC's Panhel and LUC in general, because if LUC had such an issue with KBG not being NPC they would have done something about it before this.

There's a GC poster whose mom was a KBG alumna from LUC and apparently the alums had NO idea any of this was happening. I'm sorry, but that is absolutely inexcusable.



Many years??? The KBG chapter has only been there since 2002. It's not like they had been complaining about them since the 60s or something.

As a member of one of the "1951 joiners" - I'm a little sensitive to stuff like NPC not following through on promises they make or being disrespectful to smaller groups.

the girls who didn't want the switch were in a very small minority. i'm also fairly certain luc greek life really wanted npc affiliation for all of their sororities. luc greek life department also wanted the 4 fraternity/4 sorority number, hence also why KBG was not allowed to continue. before it was decided on the KKG affiliation (if I remember right) it was already decided KBG could not recruit new girls and that whatever new sorority came would be the one that could recruit.

greek life at luc has been on the upswing in recent years so having 4 NPC sororities is what the greek life department liked.

honestly, the KKG girls are nice and no one on campus really has any hard feelings over the situation. do nationals? probably so. but the KKG girls felt that having a bigger sorority to be a part of (that paid attention to them) would ultimately be more beneficial than remaining with KBG.

aside from the minority of KBG girls that wanted KBG to remain, there wasn't really any drama on campus over the situation.

[chitownxo]

That's great that there was very little campus drama over the situation...that's not what's shaddy here, and that's not why people are upset. It's the fact the former LUC KBG girls snuck around and didn't let their National organization know their intentions...or the alums who continued to support the chapter up until the end. These girls destroyed 50 years of history without explaining themselves to the sisters who came before them....that's wrong. I don't know if their National Organization "ignored" them. I know they had asked for help with recruitment, and their National responded. It might not be what they wanted, or needed, and maybe that was the catalyst.

There's a right way to do things, and there's a wrong way. The F&M Chapter, regardless of how anyone feels about their disaffiliation, did things the correct way. The LUC Chapter did not.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by lucgreek

the girls who didn't want the switch were in a very small minority. i'm also fairly certain luc greek life really wanted npc affiliation for all of their sororities. luc greek life department also wanted the 4 fraternity/4 sorority number, hence also why KBG was not allowed to continue. before it was decided on the KKG affiliation (if I remember right) it was already decided KBG could not recruit new girls and that whatever new sorority came would be the one that could recruit.

greek life at luc has been on the upswing in recent years so having 4 NPC sororities is what the greek life department liked.

honestly, the KKG girls are nice and no one on campus really has any hard feelings over the situation. do nationals? probably so. but the KKG girls felt that having a bigger sorority to be a part of (that paid attention to them) would ultimately be more beneficial than remaining with KBG.

aside from the minority of KBG girls that wanted KBG to remain, there wasn't really any drama on campus over the situation.

Could KBG nationals really not have known that the writing was on the wall for the LUC campus? Sounds like the administration had decided that KBG would not continue on their campus, and these girls decided to go KKG rather than not be greek at all.

[oldu]

Over the years there have been many fraternity and sorority chapters that resigned from a small national to become chapters of NIC or NPC organizations. The Alpha Delta Pi chapter at University of St. Louis is another one-time Kappa Beta Gamma chapter. Their St. Norbert chapter withdrew and was a local for several years before returning to the national. As has been stated, it is very difficult for a small national organization to provide adequate services as the campus level becomes more competitive with larger national organizations.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

From 1951??

Having to quote myself is muy annoying. Especially when I already answered your question back on like page 3.

Originally Posted by 33girl

Actually, I probably should correct that - not so much a 1951 joiner thing, more an AES thing. NPC said they would stay out of the schools of education to keep things clear for the AES groups and surprise surprise, they went into them anyway.

Then again...all those AES groups should have just merged so they could be a big huge sorority, taking over NPC like the Jolly Green (Red, Purple) Giant.

[NutBrnHair]

How are new members taught about a 50+ yr. old grudge?

[chitownxo]

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

How are new members taught about a 50+ yr. old grudge?

I don't think that's a fair comment. Teaching your members about your history is not a grudge.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

How are new members taught about a 50+ yr. old grudge?

Pretty much exactly what I said in my post, without the "surprise surprise." I mean, it is what it is. And as chitownxo said, it's not a "grudge", it's part of history. It's no different than teaching DZ new members about the various groups they absorbed, or teaching new members of various groups that they had a "white clause" that no longer exists.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by lucgreek

luc greek life department also wanted the 4 fraternity/4 sorority number, hence also why KBG was not allowed to continue.

I'm sorry but that is one of the flipping stupidest things I have ever heard. You have as many sororities and fraternities on campus as the market will bear. The only time I have heard that a Greek life dept/admin wants x number of groups is when a cap is put on the amount of groups - i.e. when the admin really doesn't want Greek life to get bigger. If that is the case at LUC, then I would hardly say Greek life is on the "upswing."

And if KBG really were pushed out by the administration, I hope every single one of their alums cuts off donations. Although since KBG members have posted about the situation on here and NEVER mentioned that they were getting any kind of pressure from LUC because they weren't an NPC group, I'm kind of thinking that's a bunch of BS.

t*p - The situation at F & M was very very very weird. The groups were not recognized by the school, and at the time KBG started they didn't know if they ever WOULD be. (I think they were "working toward" rerecognition, but stuff like that can take a long time) Some NPCs have rules that they won't colonize a campus where Greeks are unrecognized, therefore they were limited in their options. They could have been an interest group that never got picked up, and I'm guessing that since the other groups on campus were national (colonized before derecognition) they didn't want to be a local. So they went with KBG.

[lucgreek]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I'm sorry but that is one of the flipping stupidest things I have ever heard. You have as many sororities and fraternities on campus as the market will bear. The only time I have heard that a Greek life dept/admin wants x number of groups is when a cap is put on the amount of groups - i.e. when the admin really doesn't want Greek life to get bigger. If that is the case at LUC, then I would hardly say Greek life is on the "upswing."

And if KBG really were pushed out by the administration, I hope every single one of their alums cuts off donations. Although since KBG members have posted about the situation on here and NEVER mentioned that they were getting any kind of pressure from LUC because they weren't an NPC group, I'm kind of thinking that's a bunch of BS.

i don't know if there is an official cap but, until recently, greek life had lower numbers at luc. luc is not a traditional greek school, although ADG was founded here. i'm also not sure if any other fraternities/sororities have tried to colonize here since we've had the 4/4.

i'm also fairly certain the girls contacted nationals and had their concerns downplayed. until someone from KBG nationals says that's a big load of crap, i'm inclined to believe people directly involved in the situation. and if nationals/alumni had no idea of the situation, that should be a HUGE flag that there was little communication between their nationals and their own alumni. since KBG is so small, I can't believe this situation blindsided them.

[PhiRhoSister]

Here is the info that you want:
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...t=18414&page=5

Originally Posted by lucgreek

i don't know if there is an official cap but, until recently, greek life had lower numbers at luc. luc is not a traditional greek school, although ADG was founded here. i'm also not sure if any other fraternities/sororities have tried to colonize here since we've had the 4/4.

i'm also fairly certain the girls contacted nationals and had their concerns downplayed. until someone from KBG nationals says that's a big load of crap, i'm inclined to believe people directly involved in the situation. and if nationals/alumni had no idea of the situation, that should be a HUGE flag that there was little communication between their nationals and their own alumni. since KBG is so small, I can't believe this situation blindsided them.