Universities Under Investigation Re: Handling Sexual Assault

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

False dichotomy. The alternative is to work toward a system that better protects and balances the rights of the accuser and the rights of the accused. The bottom line is that I don't think a lower standard of proof, or ideas like treating multiple accusations as proof of the truth of the allegations (they might be, they might not) will solve the problems, and I have little confidence that in practice they'd be workable. I see them leading to a whole different set of problems.

As for my law example, you're missing my point. Of course, not being able to go to law school isn't worse than rape. I'm talking about the possible consequences of a school undertaking the kind of process you're talking about and getting it wrong. I'm talking about the possible consequences of a student being expelled from school for something, a very serious something, he didn't do.

And yes, if a university expels a student for rape, then they are declaring him guilty of rape. Not guilty in a criminal law sense, but guilty in the practical, 'he raped someone" sense.

Thank you for finally explaining what you mean instead of assuming we'd accurately guess what you mean. As a male, I don't think biology plays nearly the role you seem to—I think what you're calling biology I would call socialization as to what culture says it means to be male or female.

I came of age in the era when nurture was assumed to account for almost all differences and that was also my viewpoint. Since then, the scientific community has made a lot of discoveries about the biological differences. There is certainly still a debate about the exact percentage that is nature vs nurture* but there's no longer much scientific debate that biology plays more than a minor role.

* ETA that there is also an interesting debate about how these two intersect

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by honorgal

I came of age in the era when nurture was assumed to account for almost all differences and that was also my viewpoint.

Supposedly when did this era occur?

Originally Posted by honorgal

Since then, the scientific community has made a lot of discoveries about the biological differences. There is certainly still a debate about the exact percentage that is nature vs nurture but there's no longer much scientific debate that biology plays more than a minor role.

Explain what that has to do with this topic.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Supposedly when did this era occur?

'70's.

Explain what that has to do with this topic.

If you look at my quote I was specifically referring to MysticCat's comment on the role biology plays.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by honorgal

If you look at my quote I was specifically referring to MysticCat's comment on the role biology plays.

Yes, MysticCat and I both disagree that biology plays a role in this topic. You haven't explained what role you believe biology plays.

Originally Posted by honorgal

Are you asking me??? Sorry, but you are still being clear as mud on what you are getting at. You obviously think we disagree on some major point but I don't know what the heck it is.

This is funny.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Yes, MysticCat and I both disagree that biology plays a role in this topic. You haven't explained what role you believe biology plays.

Yes I have. But you are coming from a framework where self admittedly you think biological differences are exaggerated. So I can see how it would be difficult to understand the role it plays.