Gay Emory Student Dragged From Frat Party

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

1. I agree. If you go back to page 4, post #47, Kevin compared the OT of this thread to a woman getting raped. That is where it got off track on the whole rape issue.

Not exactly. I said that the characterization of this being the gay fella's fault for dressing funny was akin to blaming the rape on the scantily clad woman. Yeah, a little simplistic, but not too over the top. Appearing a certain way absolutely never invites someone to commit battery or worse against you. Never. I didn't take the rape analogy and run with it, nor did I defend it.

I had remarked also that I thought this chapter failed on several levels--both during the event where this could have all been prevented with a guest list, or even security enforcing some loosely defined dress code. I also remarked that the chapter failed to adequately circle the wagons after the event, the alumnus should have stayed quiet and referred everything to his personal legal counsel so he wouldn't say anything dumb (which he did) which could get him in worse trouble than he was already in.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Not exactly. I said that the characterization of this being the gay fella's fault for dressing funny was akin to blaming the rape on the scantily clad woman. Yeah, a little simplistic, but not too over the top. Appearing a certain way absolutely never invites someone to commit battery or worse against you. Never. I didn't take the rape analogy and run with it, nor did I defend it.

Oh, don't try to back out of it now. Others had responded to your analogy long before I did.

Since I respect your opinions and views on this board, I chose to respond to you. I guess now, hind sight tells me I should have just ignored you. I'll consider it in the future.

I had remarked also that I thought this chapter failed on several levels--both during the event where this could have all been prevented with a guest list, or even security enforcing some loosely defined dress code. I also remarked that the chapter failed to adequately circle the wagons after the event, the alumnus should have stayed quiet and referred everything to his personal legal counsel so he wouldn't say anything dumb (which he did) which could get him in worse trouble than he was already in.

Like I said, we all came to this conclusion on page 3, then you presented your rape comparison on page 4. The fraternity discussion was over and done with before you presented your rape example.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Oh, don't try to back out of it now. Others had responded to your analogy long before I did.

RIF. Go back and review my response to you on p.4 where the analogy first came up. I asked you to distinguish between how you thought he deserved to be assaulted here and how some might say a woman deserves to be raped for dressing a certain way.

The analogy was posed as a hypothetical for you to respond to to compare and contrast those situations for the sake of clarifying your position. Apparently, you simply decided that the two situations are similar.

You said this:

If she went to a party with people she did not know, got isht-faced drunk and passed out,then woke up a realized she was raped,then yes, she should still press charges and those guilty should be prosecuted. But, in the end she made a bad choice that left her in that position.

That's not out of context. It's apparently your position that such a woman is responsible for her own rape because she made some bad choices. I asked you to compare and contrast and you decided just to compare.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by Kevin

RIF. Go back and review my response to you on p.4 where the analogy first came up. I asked you to distinguish between how you thought he deserved to be assaulted here and how some might say a woman deserves to be raped for dressing a certain way.

The analogy was posed as a hypothetical for you to respond to to compare and contrast those situations for the sake of clarifying your position. Apparently, you simply decided that the two situations are similar.

You said this:



That's not out of context. It's apparently your position that such a woman is responsible for her own rape because she made some bad choices. I asked you to compare and contrast and you decided just to compare.

Kevin, just stop. Because, in the first place there was no need for you to even bring rape into this topic. The OT had nothing to do with rape.

YOU were trying to make the connection, and asked me my view. I told you.

You don't have to like it, agree with it, or support it. But, that was my example. Take from it what you want.

Again, the OT of this thread ended at page 3. YOUR analogy was on page 4, well after the OT had reached the end.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Kevin, just stop. Because, in the first place there was no need for you to even bring rape into this topic. The OT had nothing to do with rape.

YOU were trying to make the connection, and asked me my view. I told you.

You don't have to like it, agree with it, or support it. But, that was my example. Take from it what you want.

Again, the OT of this thread ended at page 3. YOUR analogy was on page 4, well after the OT had reached the end.

Why do people act surprised when threads go in different directions?

Like this is a new phenomenon on GC.