Gay Emory Student Dragged From Frat Party - Page 10

knight_shadow · #**136** 10-28-2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by srmom

Here's one - a tragic example of not using good judgement, putting yourself in a dangerous situation, and your family forever feeling the consequence of your bad decision.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mexican-pir...ry?id=11784598

The US State Dept has warned people not to travel in this area, the news is filled day after day about the dangers of the border towns, etc. You'd have to be blind, deaf and dumb to be unaware of the dangers that this couple took on.

So, what do they do? They go sight seeing in waters infested with pirates caught up in the drug wars.

I will not blame this couple, they were victims, not deserving to be attacked, and unfortunately, be killed. BUT, for Christ's sake, what were they thinking??? And, it's real easy to say, don't blame the victim, but who cares - the guy is dead and his wife is a widow and his parent's lost a son. And I know if it were my son who had been killed, while I was grieving, at the same time, I'd be asking, "What the hell was he thinking??"

Don't ask for trouble! Don't put yourself in harm's way! Use good judgement! Try to stay out of dangerous situation and places. If your gut tells you something aint kosher, leave the situation.

Just because noone should be victimized doesn't mean they won't. Bad things happen to innocent people all the time.

Are any of y'all going to go travel to Juarez any time soon? It's a great place to get pottery, and damnit, I'm not involved in drugs, I should have the right to go shop in Juarez if I want to. I shouldn't be victimized and possibly get caught up in a gun fight on the streets - so do I go? I don't think so.

Walking into danger is not that same as being the victim of unfortunate circumstances.

Yes, people need to practice caution, but if a perp decides to target you when you have a reasonable expectation of safety (ie. collegiate party), I don't see how you would be at fault.

Yes, people do fight at parties, but you don't go to a party with the expectation that you'll be assaulted. Just like you don't walk down the street with the expectation that you'll be raped. Just like you don't get into your car with the expectation that you'll be hit by another car.

knight_shadow · #**137** 10-28-2010, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Kevin, just stop. Because, in the first place there was no need for you to even bring rape into this topic. The OT had nothing to do with rape.

YOU were trying to make the connection, and asked me my view. I told you.

You don't have to like it, agree with it, or support it. But, that was my example. Take from it what you want.

Again, the OT of this thread ended at page 3. YOUR analogy was on page 4, well after the OT had reached the end.

Why do people act surprised when threads go in different directions?

Like this is a new phenomenon on GC.

srmom · #**138** 10-28-2010, 12:56 PM

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Yes, people do fight at parties, but you don't go to a party with the expectation that you'll be assaulted.

But, if you go to a fraternity party dressed as a wizard in freakish colors, and it is not a costume event, and you are not the "crazy" member that everyone knows dresses and acts like the court jester, you should expect to be noticed, and not in a good way. Throw in alcohol consumption to an excessive degree, and it spells trouble.

If this boy were my son, I would be telling him, "Well, what in the hell did you expect?" I'd be pissed that my son was victimized, and looking for justice for him, but at the same time I'd also be pissed at my son for being an idiot.

knight_shadow · #**139** 10-28-2010, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by srmom

But, if you go to a fraternity party dressed as a wizard in freakish colors, and it is not a costume event, and you are not the "crazy" member that everyone knows dresses and acts like the court jester, you should expect to be noticed, and not in a good way. Throw in alcohol consumption to an excessive degree, and it spells trouble.

If this boy were my son, I would be telling him, "Well, what in the hell did you expect?" I'd be pissed that my son was victimized, and looking for justice for him, but at the same time I'd also be pissed at my son for being an idiot.

That goes back to one of my original questions -- if everyone at this party was so offended by his style of dress, why was he allowed entry?

Elephant Walk · #**140** 10-28-2010, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow

That goes back to one of my original questions -- if everyone at this party was so offended by his style of dress, why was he allowed entry?

Not everyone guards the gates.

When I lived in the house, we had nights when the doors were left open so anyone could come in and we didn't have to deal with getting the door or giving them the code in.

Some rather unfortunate members of a sports team decided to come in, whence they were promptly kicked out.

knight_shadow · #**141** 10-28-2010, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Not everyone guards the gates.

When I lived in the house, we had nights when the doors were left open so anyone could come in and we didn't have to deal with getting the door or giving them the code in.

Some rather unfortunate members of a sports team decided to come in, whence they were promptly kicked out.

Fair enough. When my organization had a house near campus, we'd often leave the doors unlocked for the same reason. That would make this situation the fraternity's fault, though, for not being more cautious with its guest list.

And the article says that his outfit was praised several times before The Wizard was assaulted. If someone came into my chapter's house in, say, a KKK get-up, there would not be enough time for said person to mingle and cause a scene. He'd be dealt with immediately.

That doesn't seem to be the case in this situation.

Kevin · #**142** 10-29-2010, 02:21 PM

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
October 26, 2010
Lexington, VA – Sigma Nu Fraternity is aware of media reports regarding an incident alleged to
have occurred at an off-campus residence near Emory University on October 23, 2010. These
reports state that an unnamed student has alleged that he was verbally and physically assaulted
by an individual who is an alumnus of Emory University and the Xi Chapter of Sigma Nu
Fraternity at Emory University.
“We are concerned by these reports and are working with leaders of our chapter and University
officials to learn as much as we can about the incident,” said Brad Beacham, Executive Director
of Sigma Nu Fraternity. “As an organization founded upon the Honor principle and dedicated to
the development of ethical leaders, Sigma Nu condemns acts of violence and disrespect.”
The Fraternity has confirmed that the social function at which the incident is alleged to have
occurred was a private function at an off- campus private residence. The function was not
sponsored by the Xi Chapter of Sigma Nu Fraternity and was attended by members and nonmembers.
Headquartered in Lexington, Va., Sigma Nu Fraternity was founded in 1869 at Virginia Military
Institute and currently has more than 180 active chapters and colonies on campuses throughout
North America.
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Billy_Optimist · #**143** 11-01-2010, 02:46 PM

If he wasn't invited he shouldn't have come in the first place.

Billy_Optimist · #**144** 11-01-2010, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Just like you don't get into your car with the expectation that you'll be hit by another car.

You'd have to be a moron not to think it might happen though.

knight_shadow · #**145** 11-01-2010, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy_Optimist

You'd have to be a moron not to think it might happen though.

You missed the point. Of course accidents happen, but you don't go out thinking "Today's the day I'm going to get hit." That's why they're called accidents.

You don't go to parties thinking "I'm going to get beat up today" either.

lucgreek · #**146** 11-01-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow

You don't go to parties thinking "I'm going to get beat up today" either.

Eh, if you go to a fraternity party you weren't invited to and run your mouth to one of the brothers, getting thrown out isn't that much of a stretch.

knight_shadow · #**147** 11-01-2010, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lucgreek

Eh, if you go to a fraternity party you weren't invited to and run your mouth to one of the brothers, getting thrown out isn't that much of a stretch.

Being asked to leave isn't the same as being dragged out, beaten, and riddled with slurs.

Again -- if the fraternity members wanted this party to be exclusive, they should have 1) had a guest list or 2) had someone manning the door. Also, if The Wizard wasn't supposed to be there, he should not have been able to mingle long enough to cause a scene.

This thread is very circular.