B.E. article on APhiA Arizona Boycott.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Sigmadiva, read this post and think about your reply to my other post. Your reply made absolutely no sense to me.

It's okay. It was about 1 am this morning when I repleid to your post.

The correlation is not a loose one.

I think you are making this a strictly "either/or" argument. To me what you are saying is that Black/ Brown is a direct and automatic indication of poverty and White is a direct and automatic indication of wealth. It is not sooooooo cut and dry like that. Are there a number of minorities who are poor, yes, but there are also some poor whites. Are there a number of whites who are rich, yes, and there are a number of minorities who are rich too. That is why I said a loose correlation. Being Black does not automatically mean you are poor. To me, that is what you are saying.

So, as I said, people need to stop dancing around the issue. Stop pretending as though this is just a matter of the lucky ones with the money as though that's a coincidence.

But it is. We don't usually hear about the lucky ones with money. We only hear about the unlucky ones because they are the ones that make the news. A couple of years ago, a truck was found in SW Texas with dead illegal immigrants in the back. That made news. They were the unlucky ones.

Put our brains and social consciousness to good use.

The average "Joe" American is not going to do this. They should, but they are not.

[DrPhil]

Why did you reply twice to the same post?

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I think you are making this a strictly "either/or" argument. To me what you are saying is that Black/ Brown is a direct and automatic indication of poverty and White is a direct and automatic indication of wealth.

No, and I think you're keen enough (and have hopefully read enough of my posts on Greekchat where I have discussed middle and upper class Blacks and poor whites) to know that. This is where I must be cliche' and advise you to research what "high correlation" means in terms of trends and patterns in our social world.

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

The average "Joe" American is not going to do this. They should, but they are not.

I tend to jokingly seriously depict people as dumb but it's not because people HAVE to be dumb. How the illegal immigration debate is being carried out is about perceived group threat (i.e. "they are taking our jobs") that uses fear of the "other" (i.e. illegal immigrants who "don't look like us") to rile people up. This is not about the average American (who is not a "Joe," by the way) being an idiot who is void of social consciousness. I really want to believe that the Europeans were NOT accurate in depicting Americans as dummies who were incapable of even staging a worker revolt.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Why did you reply twice to the same post?

I'm more awake now, so I guess I have more to say.

No, and I think you're keen enough (and have hopefully read enough of my posts on Greekchat where I have discussed middle and upper class Blacks and poor whites) to know that. This is where I must be cliche' and advise you to research what "high correlation" means in terms of trends and patterns in our social world.

I just don't think many people, white, Black, brown, are going to see this issue in a social context. You and I can talk about it all day, but I can almost promise that the people in Arizona are not thinking about it in some socioeconomic, racial. ethnic context. Those are the people you need to convince.

I tend to jokingly seriously depict people as dumb but it's not because people HAVE to be dumb. How the illegal immigration debate is being carried out is about perceived group threat (i.e. "they are taking our jobs") that uses fear of the "other" (i.e. illegal immigrants who "don't look like us") to rile people up.

This argument style is used a lot though. Both ways. "They are keeping drugs in our community", "They are keeping the quality of our schools down". Yes, "they" may be, but we also have a responsibility to ourselves too that we must fulfill.

This is not about the average American (who is not a "Joe," by the way) being an idiot who is void of social consciousness. I really want to believe that the Europeans were NOT accurate in depicting Americans as dummies who were incapable of even staging a worker revolt.

No, they were just wrong and underestimated the Americans desire.