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[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

It's not the origin of their country, it is the fact that they are illegal.

But, it is about the country of origin. The illegal immigrant initiatives aren't targeting all illegal immigrants. They are directed toward illegal immigrants from brown and black nations and particularly Spanish speaking countries. These are the countries whose immigrants have been correlated with disproportionate crime and low income living in America. The immigrants from white nations get a pass, regardless of what people say to be PC, because they easily assimilate into whiteness (or, into America since "whiteness" and "America" still go hand-in-hand).

I caught a snippet on CNN that this illegal immigrant law is about to pass in AZ and another state that is far away from the borders is considering a law.

ETA: I also read the rest of your post about European immigrants having less difficulty getting visas. I agree and I believe that's also represented in the lower percentage of European immigrants who are illegal. That issue alone highlights another potential problem with this illegal immigration law. However, getting a visa with less difficulty doesn't erase the fact that you can overstay your visa and still become an illegal immigrant. That is something that has become an issue for immigrants from nonSpanish speaking countries. A CNN news story stated that illegal immigrants who have tried to return to their country are unable to do so because officials will see that they overstayed their visa. Therefore, they can't stay and they can't leave. What to do?

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

But, it is about the country of origin. The illegal immigrant initiatives aren't targeting all illegal immigrants. They are directed toward illegal immigrants from brown and black nations and particularly Spanish speaking countries. These are the countries whose immigrants have been correlated with disproportionate crime and low income living in America.

You're right. I don't know if you have seen in the news lately that there are extremely violent drug cartels in Mexico. They are / have been trying to push their violence into the US. The best way to stop it is to stop them at the border. There are also those Mexican citizens who have nothing to do with the drug violence, but because they 'all look alike', everyone becomes suspect. Is it right / fair? No, but that is what is happening. Also, I'm sure that if there were just as bad drug cartels coming out of Canada, there would be efforts to try to secure the US/Canadian border, who knows.

The immigrants from white nations get a pass, regardless of what people say to be PC, because they easily assimilate into whiteness (or, into America since "whiteness" and "America" still go hand-in-hand).

I agree here too.

I caught a snippet on CNN that this illegal immigrant law is about to pass in AZ and another state that is far away from the borders is considering a law.

I'd much rather states take the initiative to control this issue over those wacko blatantly racist militia groups who hang out in Idaho.

ETA: I also read the rest of your post about European immigrants having less difficulty getting visas. I agree and I believe that's also represented in the lower percentage of European immigrants who are illegal. That issue alone highlights another potential problem with this illegal immigration law. However, getting a visa with less difficulty doesn't erase the fact that you can overstay your visa and still become an illegal immigrant. That is something that has become an issue for immigrants from nonSpanish speaking countries. A CNN news story stated that illegal immigrants who have tried to return to their country are unable to do so because officials will see that they overstayed their visa. Therefore, they can't stay and they can't leave. What to do?

Hang out in Canada until they can clear up their issue?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

You're right. I don't know if you have seen in the news lately that there are extremely violent drug cartels in Mexico. They are / have been trying to push their violence into the US. The best way to stop it is to stop them at the border. There are also those Mexican citizens who have nothing to do with the drug violence, but because they 'all look alike', everyone becomes suspect. Is it right / fair? No, but that is what is happening. Also, I'm sure that if there were just as bad drug cartels coming out of Canada, there would be efforts to try to secure the US/Canadian border, who knows.

So, for this reason and other reasons, country of origin and race and ethnicity do matter. This isn't just an issue of illegal immigration and people need to stop pretending as though there is equality in the illegal immigration debate.

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

So, for this reason and other reasons, country of origin and race and ethnicity do matter. This isn't just an issue of illegal immigration and people need to stop pretending as though there is equality in the illegal immigration debate.

This is exactly my point from earlier in the discussion. You all have laid out the issues quite clearly.

Besides the 'crime' issue, its also about jobs. 'They' are taking 'our' jobs, so 'they' have to go. Sound familiar?

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

So, for this reason and other reasons, country of origin and race and ethnicity do matter. This isn't just an issue of illegal immigration and people need to stop pretending as though there is equality in the illegal immigration debate.

In regards to this comment, and after reading PiKA2001 comment, I have found that the biggest issue is money. And, as you know, in many contexts possession of money and race / ethnic origin are (loosely) correlated.

So, I disagree with you - there is equality in the illegal immigration debate. The inequality occurs whether or not that immigrant can afford the time and filing fees / attorneys to become legal.