Living-in vs Living-out - Page 3

Drolefille · #31 07-14-2010, 08:31 PM

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Sure...people who are graduated and probably middle-aged voted on it. Not collegiates - who actually LIVE in the house.

Yeah but that's pretty standard for college in general.

I'm sure i'm biased as a non-drinker but i don't see why it matters in the end. And even on a 'wet' campus, a 21 year old living with a 20 year old would have to keep alcohol separate. There's not usually minifridges in sorority houses (In my experience) nor any way to be sure it's kept from underage women. And we KNOW it wouldn't be.

33girl · #32 07-14-2010, 08:49 PM

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As for the insurance...I'm sorry, but I just don't buy that. If that was the case, NPC wouldn't insist that we all had the same rule. Chapters would be able to decide to pay the extra insurance. That's not how it is, and that doesn't add up for me.

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And as for the alcohol, the members of the NPC voted on it, there isn't really an outside entity insisting, there's the group of them agreeing.

The alcohol free housing policy is not an NPC policy - each group has its own policy (which all happen to say pretty much the same thing). Ditto the housing thing. Gotta love peer pressure and forcing by the insurance companies. The groups obviously don't agree on this issue - or they would have all had the same policy when it came to mixers.

Drolefille · #33 07-14-2010, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

The alcohol free housing policy is not an NPC policy - each group has its own policy (which all happen to say pretty much the same thing). Ditto the housing thing. Gotta love peer pressure and forcing by the insurance companies. The groups obviously don't agree on this issue - or they would have all had the same policy when it came to mixers.

Actually it's in the NPC Standards booklet on the website.

http://www.npcwomen.org/resources/pd...ds_booklet.pdf

33girl · #34 07-14-2010, 08:59 PM

It says "each member group" makes a policy, not that NPC has a blanket policy it enforces. In other words it's up to the member groups to determine what a "facility" or "housed chapter" is. You could actually take that to mean that a sorority who has a dorm suite (if the campus permits it) could drink their asses off in the dorm.

Drolefille · #35 07-14-2010, 09:05 PM

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It says "each member group" makes a policy, not that NPC has a blanket policy it enforces. In other words it's up to the member groups to determine what a "facility" or "housed chapter" is. You could actually take that to mean that a sorority who has a dorm suite (if the campus permits it) could drink their asses off in the dorm.

This is actually allowed AFAIK. We didn't have a house, we lived in the dorms. We weren't a 'housed chapter." Drinking occurred and I don't believed it was breaking the rules. I could be wrong.

Each NPC member must "require a policy of alcohol-free facilities for housed chapters" is pretty straight forward at least as far as the chapters in houses go which is what the thread is about.

33girl · #36 07-14-2010, 09:10 PM

My point is what is and is not a "sorority house" is WIDE open to interpretation as that is written. Which is as it should be - it's up to the groups to define that, not to NPC.

Drolefille · #37 07-14-2010, 09:20 PM

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My point is what is and is not a "sorority house" is WIDE open to interpretation as that is written. Which is as it should be - it's up to the groups to define that, not to NPC.

I get that to an extent, I'm just saying that it'd be really unlikely to determine that a house wasn't a house. Whereas a dorm or other living situation is less likely to be so clear cut. Which means that though each member has a policy, odds are very good said policy includes dry houses because of the NPC rules. Honestly it's probably easier just to ask if any NPC sorority allows alcohol in houses and get an answer that way.

KSUViolet06 · #38 07-14-2010, 11:16 PM

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So .. i don't know where i fall on that except that it's perfectly possible for members to drink elsewhere.

This was my general opinion.

My campus allowed students to drink in campus housing if they were 21+. There were also several girls living in apts. So it just wasn't that big of a deal to me that I couldn't drink in the sorority house (even though I was 21) because there were other places for me to do that.

It also seemed kind of lame to be trying to sneak and do it, when I could just go 5 minutes to an apt. and do it freely. My membership at that point was also not worth me wanting a smirnoff that badly. lol.

fantASTic · #39 07-14-2010, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

This was my general opinion.

My campus allowed students to drink in campus housing if they were 21+. There were also several girls living in apts. So it just wasn't that big of a deal to me that I couldn't drink in the sorority house (even though I was 21) because there were other places for me to do that.

It also seemed kind of lame to be trying to sneak and do it, when I could just go 5 minutes to an apt. and do it freely. My membership at that point was also not worth me wanting a smirnoff that badly. lol.

Yeah yeah...as I said, this really is the Angry Feminist in me talking.

Realistically, though...that only works when you're actually drinking to get drunk. The stuff I was talking about above was social drinking - wine with dinner, a nightcap with a roomie. Not drinking to get drunk - drinking for pleasantries afforded adults in our society.

MUSK81 · #40 07-15-2010, 07:20 AM

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Oh, I
The idea that drinking in letters is inappropriate bothers me too, while I'm on this tangent...men do it. It's encouraged for them. But for us? Nope. Not allowed. It's a big deal! Why? Maybe we should be looking at the specific instances in which it is a big deal, many of which don't involve drinking, instead of just randomly banning it across all boards. Again - nothing wrong with a sorority woman wearing a lavalier having a drink with dinner. Yet that in itself is demonized?

We never had a problem with drinking in letters, but we were not allowed to drink while wearing our badges or anything with our coat-of-arms.

Drolefille · #41 07-15-2010, 11:51 AM

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We never had a problem with drinking in letters, but we were not allowed to drink while wearing our badges or anything with our coat-of-arms.

It's a local rule. We weren't supposed to be drinking in our letters at all on my campus. But there's nothing 'wrong' with it.

33girl · #42 07-15-2010, 12:39 PM

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We never had a problem with drinking in letters, but we were not allowed to drink while wearing our badges or anything with our coat-of-arms.

I remember going up to a (newly initiated) sister of XYZ at a party right before break and saying "NICE CREST." She looked soooooooo scared. Oh the LOLZ memories.

Lady Pi · #43 07-15-2010, 01:45 PM

We are not allowed to drink or smoke cigarettes in anything that identifies us as Greek at my chapter. No letters, crest, lavaliers, the words "alpha delta pi" spelled out, organization nicknames, ANYTHING. Personally, I like it this way, especially around Recruitment.

Yes, Frat guys get to do it, but they get to do a lot of things that we don't. It's not a big deal to me, Fraternities and Sororities are very different, and thank goodness!

I do think that it's silly that you can't even cook with wine in the house, or have a hard cider on movie night, but it's either all or nothing, the rules would be too hard to enforce if drinking was okay "sometimes".

greekmomjo · #44 08-04-2010, 10:50 PM

Living in the house for soph--sr year was a privilege I now appreciate more than I did then. There are plenty of other places to drink--that is a non-issue for me. And how nice was it to hang out in pjs and not have to worry about men?
My chapter did a study about the cost of living in vs. apt living and it was cheaper to live in the house (IF you ate many of your meals at the house--since food costs are included in housebill). Why the rush to clean your own toilet and hassle with the one deadbeat roommie who won't pay her share of the cable bill?

AGDee · #45 08-08-2010, 12:30 AM

I was thinking about when the "not in letters" trend started and I think it was a combination of two things. First, again, risk management insurance/policies. It's pretty hard to deny liability if someone was wearing their letters while doing it. The second big thing was the popularity of the Internet and World Wide Web when suddenly, pictures of this stuff were being broadcast for the world to see. It was one thing to have Suzy Sorority acting a fool among her peers when nobody else ever heard about it or saw it. Once we had easy ways to post pictures of her doing those things on the Intarwebz.. whole new ballgame.

The dry house stuff though.. that goes back way before my time. The more I think about that, the more I think it probably had to do with not wanting big parties at sorority houses because of damage to the house, etc.