Feds to file lawsuit over Arizona immigration law

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Uhh...California doesn't have issues with illegal immigration?

I'm talking about people from other states going to protest in AZ against 1070 then driving their fat happy asses home. AFAIK the majority of people of AZ still support this bill and they are the ones that will have to live with it, not you in Dallas or me in EP or some dude in NJ.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by starang21

you don't think you're producing identification once you're stopped because of a moving violation?

Where did I say that?

And the operative phrase here is "moving violation." I won't produce identification because I'm "too black."

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I'm talking about people from other states going to protest in AZ against 1070 then driving their fat happy asses home. AFAIK the majority of people of AZ still support this bill and they are the ones that will have to live with it, not you in Dallas or me in EP or some dude in NJ.

That's not what you said, though. You essentially said they can't support the bill because they don't see the effects of illegal immigration firsthand. I was just making a point that California does, indeed, see the effects of it.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Where did I say that?

And the operative phrase here is "moving violation." I won't produce identification because I'm "too black."

have you read the hb2162?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by starang21

have you read the hb2162?

I had not seen that. Thanks for letting me know about it.

The question still remains, though: How do you determine someone's status by means other than race? I saw style of dress and language spoken posted earlier. I don't think that's acceptable.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

How do you determine someone's status by means other than race?

lack of valid id, inability or unwillingness to communicate in english. whether or not they're in some sort of identification database.

you're not making a determination based on race. you're asking a question to the proper authorities in order to make an informed determination.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by starang21

lack of valid id, inability or unwillingness to communicate in english. whether or not they're in some sort of identification database.

you're not making a determination based on race. you're asking a question to the proper authorities in order to make an informed determination.

No, you investigate based on a "reasonable suspicion" of illegal status. That's the questionable bit.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

No, you investigate based on a "reasonable suspicion" of illegal status. That's the questionable bit.

so what i've listed couldn't fall under reasonable suspicion?

particularly the lack of valid id and inability or unwillingness to communicate in english?

in addition, they're not required to verify the status on all arrests.

"a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable"

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

That's not what you said, though. You essentially said they can't support the bill because they don't see the effects of illegal immigration firsthand. I was just making a point that California does, indeed, see the effects of it.

No, what I'M SAYING is they should butt out of Arizona's politics and if the people of Arizona want and support this bill let them pass it.

And by the way, Arizona has it a lot worse than California in regards to crime associated with smuggling.