Feds to file lawsuit over Arizona immigration law

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Depends on what that "look" is. Brown skin? No dice. Doesn't speak English? That's probable cause. Since race isn't supposed to be a factor here according to the law, either race won't be a factor or there'll be a boom in civil rights case filings and people will get paid.

How is that probable cause? I know plenty of citizens or perm residents with issues with the English language if they speak it at all.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

How is that probable cause? I know plenty of citizens or perm residents with issues with the English language if they speak it at all.

The law only requires that you have a reasonable suspicion that a crime is being committed for probable cause. Race can't be a factor leading to that. Not speaking English can be a factor leading up to that. Other factors could be manner of dress, lack of identification, forged identification, etc.

Assuming before the fact that race is going to be the controlling factor in these arrests betrays your own preconceived notions about illegal immigration, not Arizona's.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Assuming before the fact that race is going to be the controlling factor in these arrests betrays your own preconceived notions about illegal immigration, not Arizona's.

No, it betrays preconceived notions about the prejudices of law enforcement. Ones supported by statistics showing racial imbalance in the number of traffic stops alone.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Not speaking English can be a factor leading up to that. Other factors could be manner of dress, lack of identification, forged identification, etc.

this.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Assuming before the fact that race is going to be the controlling factor in these arrests betrays your own preconceived notions about illegal immigration, not Arizona's.

and this.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

How is that probable cause? I know plenty of citizens or perm residents with issues with the English language if they speak it at all.

do those permanent residents have valid id?