Feds to file lawsuit over Arizona immigration law

[agzg]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I see a lot of blah blah blah, yackity smackity, but I'm not reading SHIZZAT until MysticCat rolls through.

Amen.

[honeychile]

Of course, MC would have the ultimate say! And I want to state upfront that I'm not against immigration - I've been to naturalizations to hand out flags and the whole bit. But if it's illegal to come into the United States without the correct papers, how can the government say that it's illegal to try to stop illegal immigration? This is our money paying for yet another frivolous lawsuit, IMHO. As said before, if the Feds aren't doing their job, why shouldn't AZ pass a law to help them out? This isn't Dog, the Bounty Hunter, it's a situation where a person already pulled over or otherwise coming to the attention of the police is asked to prove their legal residence. People in CA can pay a normal wage for housekeepers, landscapers, and babysitters, and maybe the amount of drug lords will be kept out.

If Arizona passes the law that, if an illegal immigrant couple have a child, and that child does not automatically become a citizen, that would be a much deeper issue.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by honeychile

If Arizona passes the law that, if an illegal immigrant couple have a child, and that child does not automatically become a citizen, that would be a much deeper issue.

True and that is outright prohibited in the constitution.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by honeychile

. But if it's illegal to come into the United States without the correct papers, how can the government say that it's illegal to try to stop illegal immigration? This is our money paying for yet another frivolous lawsuit, IMHO. As said before, if the Feds aren't doing their job, why shouldn't AZ pass a law to help them out?

If Arizona passes the law that, if an illegal immigrant couple have a child, and that child does not automatically become a citizen, that would be a much deeper issue.

Again, no legal eagle here, but I believe the problem is with the HOW, not the WHAT. I believe the method of enforcement is the issue.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I see a lot of blah blah blah, yackity smackity, but I'm not reading SHIZZAT until MysticCat rolls through.

I *heart* you. ALMOST as much as MC.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by honeychile

Of course, MC would have the ultimate say! And I want to state upfront that I'm not against immigration - I've been to naturalizations to hand out flags and the whole bit. But if it's illegal to come into the United States without the correct papers, how can the government say that it's illegal to try to stop illegal immigration? This is our money paying for yet another frivolous lawsuit, IMHO. As said before, if the Feds aren't doing their job, why shouldn't AZ pass a law to help them out? This isn't Dog, the Bounty Hunter, it's a situation where a person already pulled over or otherwise coming to the attention of the police is asked to prove their legal residence. People in CA can pay a normal wage for housekeepers, landscapers, and babysitters, and maybe the amount of drug lords will be kept out.

If Arizona passes the law that, if an illegal immigrant couple have a child, and that child does not automatically become a citizen, that would be a much deeper issue.

The problem is also that we have a state that is reeling from the housing bust. There is no money, but suddenly they want to start a VERY expensive program that diverts police attention from law enforcement to illegal immigration (which is already down) leaving other areas uncovered. It's not going to save the state any money by decreasing the immigrant load...you throw them out, they find a way back in. We'll just end up spending a ton of money on a completely useless program that will not be supported by ICE when we hand over the illegals that we round up. Sounds like an excellent plan.

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

you throw them out, they find a way back in.

Hence the problem. So why don't we just open up the borders and let anyone and everyone in? Because we can't. We can however limit the ability of illegal aliens to cross as easily as they do. Seal the borders as best we can. This is what needs to be done first and then we address the people who are here illegally.

AZ should sue the U.S. Gov't for not doing their duty when it comes to immigration. Unfortunately, there is probably some damn law that covers the Fed's.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Hence the problem. So why don't we just open up the borders and let anyone and everyone in? Because we can't. We can however limit the ability of illegal aliens to cross as easily as they do. Seal the borders as best we can. This is what needs to be done first and then we address the people who are here illegally.

AZ should sue the U.S. Gov't for not doing their duty when it comes to immigration. Unfortunately, there is probably some damn law that covers the Fed's.

Or let more people in legally and remove the incentive for coming through illegally (crackdown on employers)

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Hence the problem. So why don't we just open up the borders and let anyone and everyone in? Because we can't. We can however limit the ability of illegal aliens to cross as easily as they do. Seal the borders as best we can. This is what needs to be done first and then we address the people who are here illegally.

AZ should sue the U.S. Gov't for not doing their duty when it comes to immigration. Unfortunately, there is probably some damn law that covers the Fed's.

And you know good and well that is not what I am saying, but the rhetoric that is being used to support this law is ridiculous. This will not save the Arizona economy. It will not stop the drug cartels. It will not decrease illegal immigration at the borders. Pretending otherwise that it does anything other than waste Arizona tax payer money is stupid.

[Senusret I]

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[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Need:



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Maybe he's on vacation?!

[Senusret I]

Unacceptable!

lol

[starang21]

unfortunately, i bet this is the only action that we'll see out of the feds. i think the AZ government did this to force the fed's hand.

[AlphaFrog]

Sen - Unfortunately, I think MC is on vacation right now.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by starang21

unfortunately, i bet this is the only action that we'll see out of the feds. i think the AZ government did this to force the fed's hand.

I think so, but it's like biting off your nose to spite your face.