Feds to file lawsuit over Arizona immigration law

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

Well if the federal government would do their JOB and PROTECT the borders, this law wouldn't have been made.

I respect people's opinions, but really until you've lived in AZ and are 1) constantly watching news reports about an illegal immigrant committing murder, 2) constantly hearing about illegal immigrant drop houses/drug busts, 3) constantly hearing about an illegal immigrant stealing someones identity (or have had your's stolen by an illegal immigrant), you CANNOT possibly understand WHY legal AZ residents are getting frustrated and looking to the government for solutions.

I truly believe that they made this law to make people PAY ATTENTION to what California, Arizona, Texas and New Mexico are dealing with when it comes to illegal immigration. It should not be these 4 states jobs to be fighting this epidemic (and that is what it is).

Our borders are federal and our federal government should be taking care of them.

This is strictly my opinion. I completely understand that others are going to feel differently. But instead of attacking, think about the people who deal with illegal immigration on a daily basis.

I now live in Fayetteville, NC. I have never heard the Raleigh news once mention illegal immigration. It probably isn't something that they deal with. I'm sure there are illegal immigrants in the state, but probably not to the extent as the 4 border states.

I don't think anyone here is attacking the good people of the state of AZ. I'm sure it's frustrating to live there. However that doesn't make the law automatically OK even if the federal government wasn't enforcing their laws well. Yes there needs to be reform, but at the federal level.

And you should check out the illegal immigration stats for places like Iowa, much higher than you'd think. Slaughterhouses seem particularly prone.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

And you should check out the illegal immigration stats for places like Iowa, much higher than you'd think. Slaughterhouses seem particularly prone.

It doesn't even come close. I grew up in MI and lived in AZ for awhile, even though Detroit has it's fair share of undocumented, it's just so much more prevalent and "in-your-face" in AZ.

In regards to ASUADPi, It kind of upsets me watching people getting bussed in from California or Oklahoma to protest in Phoenix. Thats awesome that they are that passionate about the issue but they aren't the ones dealing with it on a daily basis.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

Well if the federal government would do their JOB and PROTECT the borders, this law wouldn't have been made.

I respect people's opinions, but really until you've lived in AZ and are 1) constantly watching news reports about an illegal immigrant committing murder, 2) constantly hearing about illegal immigrant drop houses/drug busts, 3) constantly hearing about an illegal immigrant stealing someones identity (or have had your's stolen by an illegal immigrant), you CANNOT possibly understand WHY legal AZ residents are getting frustrated and looking to the government for solutions.

I truly believe that they made this law to make people PAY ATTENTION to what California, Arizona, Texas and New Mexico are dealing with when it comes to illegal immigration. It should not be these 4 states jobs to be fighting this epidemic (and that is what it is).

Our borders are federal and our federal government should be taking care of them.

This is strictly my opinion. I completely understand that others are going to feel differently. But instead of attacking, think about the people who deal with illegal immigration on a daily basis.

I now live in Fayetteville, NC. I have never heard the Raleigh news once mention illegal immigration. It probably isn't something that they deal with. I'm sure there are illegal immigrants in the state, but probably not to the extent as the 4 border states.

I hear about the issues all the time too, but pushing for pseudo-racial profiling will do more harm than good.

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

It doesn't even come close. I grew up in MI and lived in AZ for awhile, even though Detroit has it's fair share of undocumented, it's just so much more prevalent and "in-your-face" in AZ.

In regards to ASUADPi, It kind of upsets me watching people getting bussed in from California or Oklahoma to protest in Phoenix. Thats awesome that they are that passionate about the issue but they aren't the ones dealing with it on a daily basis.

Uhh...California doesn't have issues with illegal immigration?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I hear about the issues all the time too, but pushing for pseudo-racial profiling will do more harm than good.

How's that? Here in Oklahoma, we've arrested some higher ups in Mexican cartels who recently fled Arizona because they were afraid of profiling. If the law's scaring off those maggots, then it must be doing something right.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Kevin

How's that? Here in Oklahoma, we've arrested some higher ups in Mexican cartels who recently fled Arizona because they were afraid of profiling. If the law's scaring off those maggots, then it must be doing something right.

Because it won't only affect illegal immigrants.

Sure, a citizen should be able to easily produce identification, but s/he shouldn't have to just because a cop thinks s/he has the look of an immigrant.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Because it won't only affect illegal immigrants.

Sure, a citizen should be able to easily produce identification, but s/he shouldn't have to just because a cop thinks s/he has the look of an immigrant.

Depends on what that "look" is. Brown skin? No dice. Doesn't speak English? That's probable cause. Since race isn't supposed to be a factor here according to the law, either race won't be a factor or there'll be a boom in civil rights case filings and people will get paid.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Depends on what that "look" is. Brown skin? No dice. Doesn't speak English? That's probable cause. Since race isn't supposed to be a factor here according to the law, either race won't be a factor or there'll be a boom in civil rights case filings and people will get paid.

How is that probable cause? I know plenty of citizens or perm residents with issues with the English language if they speak it at all.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Since race isn't supposed to be a factor here according to the law, either race won't be a factor or there'll be a boom in civil rights case filings and people will get paid.

WHICH MEANS IT IS A BAD LAW.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Depends on what that "look" is. Brown skin? No dice. Doesn't speak English? That's probable cause. Since race isn't supposed to be a factor here according to the law, either race won't be a factor or there'll be a boom in civil rights case filings and people will get paid.

How do you tell an illegal immigrant from a citizen? Are they running around with scarlet sombreros attached to their shirts?

[starang21]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Because it won't only affect illegal immigrants.

Sure, a citizen should be able to easily produce identification, but s/he shouldn't have to just because a cop thinks s/he has the look of an immigrant.

you don't think you're producing identification once you're stopped because of a moving violation?

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Uhh...California doesn't have issues with illegal immigration?

I'm talking about people from other states going to protest in AZ against 1070 then driving their fat happy asses home. AFAIK the majority of people of AZ still support this bill and they are the ones that will have to live with it, not you in Dallas or me in EP or some dude in NJ.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by starang21

you don't think you're producing identification once you're stopped because of a moving violation?

Where did I say that?

And the operative phrase here is "moving violation." I won't produce identification because I'm "too black."

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I'm talking about people from other states going to protest in AZ against 1070 then driving their fat happy asses home. AFAIK the majority of people of AZ still support this bill and they are the ones that will have to live with it, not you in Dallas or me in EP or some dude in NJ.

That's not what you said, though. You essentially said they can't support the bill because they don't see the effects of illegal immigration firsthand. I was just making a point that California does, indeed, see the effects of it.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Where did I say that?

And the operative phrase here is "moving violation." I won't produce identification because I'm "too black."

have you read the hb2162?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by starang21

have you read the hb2162?

I had not seen that. Thanks for letting me know about it.

The question still remains, though: How do you determine someone's status by means other than race? I saw style of dress and language spoken posted earlier. I don't think that's acceptable.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

That's not what you said, though. You essentially said they can't support the bill because they don't see the effects of illegal immigration firsthand. I was just making a point that California does, indeed, see the effects of it.

No, what I'M SAYING is they should butt out of Arizona's politics and if the people of Arizona want and support this bill let them pass it.

And by the way, Arizona has it a lot worse than California in regards to crime associated with smuggling.