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07-07-2010, 07:04 PM
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There are several problems with this law and in all honesty, I'm believing more and more that it was nothing more than a ploy to rally the conservatives against the liberals and force the federal Government to do something.
Plain and simple, this law runs the risk of penalizing citizens and legal residents. It's like cutting off your finger to not have to worry about breaking the fingernail. Or to quote President George W. Bush "If we let the loggers go in and cut down all the trees we wouldn’t have a problem with forest fires."
The law makes it mandatory for ALL citizens and legal residents to carry proof of citizenship on them at all times. AZ accepts driver's licenses because they demand that you provide proof of citizenship before you can get one. However, they do not accept licenses from all other states.
There is currently no Federal Law requiring citizens to carry proof of citizenship with them at all times, therefore Arizona is usurping Federal Law. In addition, failing to provide proof of citizenship is punishable by incarceration and a fine of upto $2500.00. This violates a multitude of civil rights laws, including unlawful detainment.
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07-07-2010, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by WaxOff
There are several problems with this law and in all honesty, I'm believing more and more that it was nothing more than a ploy to rally the conservatives against the liberals and force the federal Government to do something.
Plain and simple, this law runs the risk of penalizing citizens and legal residents. It's like cutting off your finger to not have to worry about breaking the fingernail. Or to quote President George W. Bush "If we let the loggers go in and cut down all the trees we wouldn’t have a problem with forest fires."
The law makes it mandatory for ALL citizens and legal residents to carry proof of citizenship on them at all times. AZ accepts driver's licenses because they demand that you provide proof of citizenship before you can get one. However, they do not accept licenses from all other states.
There is currently no Federal Law requiring citizens to carry proof of citizenship with them at all times, therefore Arizona is usurping Federal Law. In addition, failing to provide proof of citizenship is punishable by incarceration and a fine of upto $2500.00. This violates a multitude of civil rights laws, including unlawful detainment.
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It's tricky in that it doesn't specifically require citizens to carry papers, but would end up requiring citizens to prove citizenship if mistaken for an immigrant - legal or not.
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07-07-2010, 07:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WaxOff
The law makes it mandatory for ALL citizens and legal residents to carry proof of citizenship on them at all times. AZ accepts driver's licenses because they demand that you provide proof of citizenship before you can get one. However, they do not accept licenses from all other states.
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Wait, so if I'm understanding this correctly, if I, being from AL, visit AZ, and get pulled over they wouldn't accept my AL license?
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07-07-2010, 07:16 PM
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Wait, so if I'm understanding this correctly, if I, being from AL, visit AZ, and get pulled over they wouldn't accept my AL license?
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Depends on whether AL requires you to prove citizenship to get a license or not. I think they have a website that lists what they accept and what they don't. The thing is, as a citizen you shouldn't have to prove it to anyone. Technically only immigrants/visitors/residents are required to carry papers.
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07-07-2010, 07:33 PM
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Wait, so if I'm understanding this correctly, if I, being from AL, visit AZ, and get pulled over they wouldn't accept my AL license?
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they'll accept it. unless you can get a driver's license anywhere in this country as an illegal alien.
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07-07-2010, 07:56 PM
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they'll accept it. unless you can get a driver's license anywhere in this country as an illegal alien.
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You can. Multiple jurisdictions have decided that licensing all drivers is preferable to illegal immigrants driving without licenses. It varies based on where they're from, that's why AZ won't accept all licenses as proof of citizenship.
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