Feds to file lawsuit over Arizona immigration law

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Because it won't only affect illegal immigrants.

Sure, a citizen should be able to easily produce identification, but s/he shouldn't have to just because a cop thinks s/he has the look of an immigrant.

Depends on what that "look" is. Brown skin? No dice. Doesn't speak English? That's probable cause. Since race isn't supposed to be a factor here according to the law, either race won't be a factor or there'll be a boom in civil rights case filings and people will get paid.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Depends on what that "look" is. Brown skin? No dice. Doesn't speak English? That's probable cause. Since race isn't supposed to be a factor here according to the law, either race won't be a factor or there'll be a boom in civil rights case filings and people will get paid.

How is that probable cause? I know plenty of citizens or perm residents with issues with the English language if they speak it at all.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

How is that probable cause? I know plenty of citizens or perm residents with issues with the English language if they speak it at all.

The law only requires that you have a reasonable suspicion that a crime is being committed for probable cause. Race can't be a factor leading to that. Not speaking English can be a factor leading up to that. Other factors could be manner of dress, lack of identification, forged identification, etc.

Assuming before the fact that race is going to be the controlling factor in these arrests betrays your own preconceived notions about illegal immigration, not Arizona's.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Assuming before the fact that race is going to be the controlling factor in these arrests betrays your own preconceived notions about illegal immigration, not Arizona's.

No, it betrays preconceived notions about the prejudices of law enforcement. Ones supported by statistics showing racial imbalance in the number of traffic stops alone.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Not speaking English can be a factor leading up to that. Other factors could be manner of dress, lack of identification, forged identification, etc.

this.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Assuming before the fact that race is going to be the controlling factor in these arrests betrays your own preconceived notions about illegal immigration, not Arizona's.

and this.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

How is that probable cause? I know plenty of citizens or perm residents with issues with the English language if they speak it at all.

do those permanent residents have valid id?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Since race isn't supposed to be a factor here according to the law, either race won't be a factor or there'll be a boom in civil rights case filings and people will get paid.

WHICH MEANS IT IS A BAD LAW.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Depends on what that "look" is. Brown skin? No dice. Doesn't speak English? That's probable cause. Since race isn't supposed to be a factor here according to the law, either race won't be a factor or there'll be a boom in civil rights case filings and people will get paid.

How do you tell an illegal immigrant from a citizen? Are they running around with scarlet sombreros attached to their shirts?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

How do you tell an illegal immigrant from a citizen? Are they running around with scarlet sombreros attached to their shirts?

You gotta run'em down and pull'em over fir....

wwwwaaaaaaiiit...that's PROFILING!

[Animate]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

How do you tell an illegal immigrant from a citizen? Are they running around with scarlet sombreros attached to their shirts?

<--- citizen
<--- immigrant
<--- illegal immigrant

Check for sunglasses.

[WaxOff]

There are several problems with this law and in all honesty, I'm believing more and more that it was nothing more than a ploy to rally the conservatives against the liberals and force the federal Government to do something.

Plain and simple, this law runs the risk of penalizing citizens and legal residents. It's like cutting off your finger to not have to worry about breaking the fingernail. Or to quote President George W. Bush "If we let the loggers go in and cut down all the trees we wouldn’t have a problem with forest fires."

The law makes it mandatory for ALL citizens and legal residents to carry proof of citizenship on them at all times. AZ accepts driver's licenses because they demand that you provide proof of citizenship before you can get one. However, they do not accept licenses from all other states.

There is currently no Federal Law requiring citizens to carry proof of citizenship with them at all times, therefore Arizona is usurping Federal Law. In addition, failing to provide proof of citizenship is punishable by incarceration and a fine of upto $2500.00. This violates a multitude of civil rights laws, including unlawful detainment.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by WaxOff

There are several problems with this law and in all honesty, I'm believing more and more that it was nothing more than a ploy to rally the conservatives against the liberals and force the federal Government to do something.

Plain and simple, this law runs the risk of penalizing citizens and legal residents. It's like cutting off your finger to not have to worry about breaking the fingernail. Or to quote President George W. Bush "If we let the loggers go in and cut down all the trees we wouldn’t have a problem with forest fires."

The law makes it mandatory for ALL citizens and legal residents to carry proof of citizenship on them at all times. AZ accepts driver's licenses because they demand that you provide proof of citizenship before you can get one. However, they do not accept licenses from all other states.

There is currently no Federal Law requiring citizens to carry proof of citizenship with them at all times, therefore Arizona is usurping Federal Law. In addition, failing to provide proof of citizenship is punishable by incarceration and a fine of upto $2500.00. This violates a multitude of civil rights laws, including unlawful detainment.

It's tricky in that it doesn't specifically require citizens to carry papers, but would end up requiring citizens to prove citizenship if mistaken for an immigrant - legal or not.

[Animate]

Originally Posted by WaxOff

The law makes it mandatory for ALL citizens and legal residents to carry proof of citizenship on them at all times. AZ accepts driver's licenses because they demand that you provide proof of citizenship before you can get one. However, they do not accept licenses from all other states.

Wait, so if I'm understanding this correctly, if I, being from AL, visit AZ, and get pulled over they wouldn't accept my AL license?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Animate

Wait, so if I'm understanding this correctly, if I, being from AL, visit AZ, and get pulled over they wouldn't accept my AL license?

Depends on whether AL requires you to prove citizenship to get a license or not. I think they have a website that lists what they accept and what they don't. The thing is, as a citizen you shouldn't have to prove it to anyone. Technically only immigrants/visitors/residents are required to carry papers.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by Animate

Wait, so if I'm understanding this correctly, if I, being from AL, visit AZ, and get pulled over they wouldn't accept my AL license?

they'll accept it. unless you can get a driver's license anywhere in this country as an illegal alien.