Nun excommunicated for allowing abortion to save the life of a mother

[Beryana]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I disagree, most of the Church is made up of people who did not abuse children. Their cover up of it is inexcusable but consistent with their beliefs about confession and forgiveness.

And remember too that the 'cover up' was not necessarily on the part of the Catholic Dioceses but rather on the part of civil authorities (Milwaukee PD being one of them).

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Beryana

And remember too that the 'cover up' was not necessarily on the part of the Catholic Dioceses but rather on the part of civil authorities (Milwaukee PD being one of them).

Most of it was on the part of the Church itself internationally. The civil authorities are just as to blame when they were involved.

And I blame the people who knew about it and who claim the moral high ground most.

[Beryana]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Most of it was on the part of the Church itself internationally. The civil authorities are just as to blame when they were involved.

And I blame the people who knew about it and who claim the moral high ground most.

And I'm going to ask you to elaborate on your statement - other than what you have read in the newspapers. Why do you believe this was a 'cover up' by the Vatican?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Beryana

And I'm going to ask you to elaborate on your statement - other than what you have read in the newspapers. Why do you believe this was a 'cover up' by the Vatican?

I didn't say this was a Vatican level cover up. I said the Church, which includes all levels of the hierarchy.

Priests with allegations of child abuse were repeatedly removed from positions. The Church historically has not turned offenders or allegations over to civil authorities (although there have been situations where civil authorities also ignored allegations). Priests who have been through therapy - not all of it provided by licensed therapists - were not monitored effectively and were allowed to be around children. This has been a systemic problem and has not been unique to the United States - see Ireland, England, Germany, South America, etc.

And the attitude that the hierarchy has had to this issue has shown a level of disrespect to the victims, although not indicative of Church policy, off handed remarks about this being all about the media, or comparing criticism to anti-semitism, show an incredibly flippant attitude.

The Church is not full of sex offenders and child molesters, percentages are about the same as among other religious leaders or school teachers. However the Church claims moral authority over a large number of people, and to behave immorally and unethically is hypocritical and destroys people's trust in the institution.


Also, "the newspapers" (and other media) are how we get news. Short of being in the Vatican I'm not sure how you expect people to get this information.