Protestors carry firearms near Presidential speech

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

It's quite relevant in that it shows that the secret service did not allow him to remain in the area for security purposes. So one has to wonder why they allowed it in this instance. Security may get more intense for a President, but it won't get any more lax than the basics.


As for your sarcastic comment about him having it while he was running errands, it is not unheard of for people if they are used to carrying something every day and there is an instance where they are supposed to take it off and they forget to would sit here and try to act as though that is bizarre just shows that you want to be difficult.

So he forgot that he was going to be in the vicinity of the President and forgot to take his gun off?

I'm not being difficult, just trying to see the relevance of what you had to say in the greater body of the thread.


If you answering that is difficult, I will leave you be for now.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

So he forgot that he was going to be in the vicinity of the President and forgot to take his gun off?

I'm not being difficult, just trying to see the relevance of what you had to say in the greater body of the thread.


If you answering that is difficult, I will leave you be for now.

I have already answered that. I'm not sure why you are still experiencing confusion or why you have difficulty seeing the relevance.

And like I said, when he went out to see the president, it was a matter of just standing outside to catch a glimpse as bush left. So yes, he forgot to leave the gun in the car. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

I have already answered that. I'm not sure why you are still experiencing confusion or why you have difficulty seeing the relevance.

And like I said, when he went out to see the president, it was a matter of just standing outside to catch a glimpse as bush left. So yes, he forgot to leave the gun in the car. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?

Your friend carrying a gun to a get a glimpse of Bush and just so happened to forget to remove it = No relevance to this topic whatsoever.



people who purposefully carry guns to protest their rights to bear arms = Relevance.

get it?

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Your friend carrying a gun to a get a glimpse of Bush and just so happened to forget to remove it = No relevance to this topic whatsoever.



people who purposefully carry guns to protest their rights to bear arms = Relevance.

get it?

It was relevant with respect to the point that I was talking about.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

And like I said, when he went out to see the president, it was a matter of just standing outside to catch a glimpse as bush left. So yes, he forgot to leave the gun in the car. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?

Because the story is so stupid as to be hilariously irrelevant . . . to the point that it feels contrived?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Because the story is so stupid as to be hilariously irrelevant . . . to the point that it feels contrived?

Thanks!

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Because the story is so stupid as to be hilariously irrelevant . . . to the point that it feels contrived?

Not even close.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

So he forgot that he was going to be in the vicinity of the President and forgot to take his gun off?

Many people who carry a gun on them do it just because they can...they're strong believers in the right to carry and feel that if that right is taken for granted, no one will miss it when it's gone. Anyway, the 2nd Amendment was intended to protect the rights of people to protect themselves against the government. Maybe he was carrying the gun to protect himself against the President, eh?

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Many people who carry a gun on them do it just because they can...they're strong believers in the right to carry and feel that if that right is taken for granted, no one will miss it when it's gone. Anyway, the 2nd Amendment was intended to protect the rights of people to protect themselves against the government. Maybe he was carrying the gun to protect himself against the President, eh?

You're right, but DS was deliberately being difficult. I stated that this friend worked for a firearm store, was used to having his gun holstered on his belt all day, and forgot to take it off. He definitely believes in his right to carry, but at that particular time, he wasn't carrying it just because he could. He was on lunch break from work and trying to catch a quick glimpse of the president. The point I was originally making was that he was asked by the secret service to leave when they saw the gun, and so I didn't understand why these men in Arizona weren't asked to leave the area with their guns.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

You're right, but DS was deliberately being difficult. I stated that this friend worked for a firearm store, was used to having his gun holstered on his belt all day, and forgot to take it off. He definitely believes in his right to carry, but at that particular time, he wasn't carrying it just because he could. He was on lunch break from work and trying to catch a quick glimpse of the president. The point I was originally making was that he was asked by the secret service to leave when they saw the gun, and so I didn't understand why these men in Arizona weren't asked to leave the area with their guns.

It might have been the number of people carrying. Also Obama might have told them not to. I'm these guys were being watched like hawks the entire the President was in the open.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

It might have been the number of people carrying. Also Obama might have told them not to. I'm these guys were being watched like hawks the entire the President was in the open.

You're right.

I did kind of wonder if maybe Obama did tell them not to. But that really shouldn't have mattered because JFK told the secret service what not to do and we know what happened to him. KWIM? Secret service agents often talk about how sometimes they have to go against what a president wants when security is at issue.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

You're right.

I did kind of wonder if maybe Obama did tell them not to. But that really shouldn't have mattered because JFK told the secret service what not to do and we know what happened to him. KWIM? Secret service agents often talk about how sometimes they have to go against what a president wants when security is at issue.

Not really no. What happened to President Kennedy was a freak one in a million shot. I'm sure the crowd had USSS personnel under cover prepared to stop them the second they drew their firearms.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Not really no. What happened to President Kennedy was a freak one in a million shot. I'm sure the crowd had USSS personnel under cover prepared to stop them the second they drew their firearms.

It wasn't all that freakish. He told them not to put the top up on the car. They complied. He got killed. It doesn't take that long, undercover people or not.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

He was on lunch break from work and trying to catch a quick glimpse of the president.

So he wasn't just in the vicinity, like the guy with rifle in Phoenix. If he was close enough to "catch a quick glimpse" he was also close enough to fire a shot. That, I'm guessing, is why the secret service took interest.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

So he wasn't just in the vicinity, like the guy with rifle in Phoenix. If he was close enough to "catch a quick glimpse" he was also close enough to fire a shot. That, I'm guessing, is why the secret service took interest.

The guy in Phoenix was not all that far away. He was close enough to fire a shot.