Rush Limbaugh hopes Obama Fails

[CrackerBarrel]

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...108.guest.html

There's the video link to the interview with Sean Hannity where he discusses it. He says "So I shamelessly say no, I want him to fail if his agenda is a far left collectivism (some people say socialism)... as a conservative heart-felt, deeply... why would I want socialism to succeed?" I think there is your context of what he was saying.

(BTW, I don't read Limbaugh's site, it was linked on Drudge.)

[nittanyalum]

I'm late to this, but I'm traveling so I'm having to catch things online a day or two later. But you know I'm always good for a Daily Show clip in threads like these, so enjoy: Fox News Fear Imbalance http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...fear-imbalance

And DS, you have to know that Limbaugh and the Fox News whack-jobs are going to be beside themselves about every single thing Obama does, it's all they have for the next 4 (or 8) years. You'll get along better and enjoy things more if you just ignore all that noise and certainly refrain from giving it more visibility by posting about all the things you'll think are offensive. Because there will more likely than not be MANY.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

I'm late to this, but I'm traveling so I'm having to catch things online a day or two later. But you know I'm always good for a Daily Show clip in threads like these, so enjoy: Fox News Fear Imbalance http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...fear-imbalance

And DS, you have to know that Limbaugh and the Fox News whack-jobs are going to be beside themselves about every single thing Obama does, it's all they have for the next 4 (or 8) years. You'll get along better and enjoy things more if you just ignore all that noise and certainly refrain from giving it more visibility by posting about all the things you'll think are offensive. Because there will more likely than not be MANY.

I think it's an entirely normal thing to get all caught up with criticism of one's candidate of choice. I know I would get upset when people ripped on Gov. Romney (the person who I most wished would win the Presidency).

But, as you said, there will likely be many criticisms over the next 4 years (some of them legitimate), and that's hard to get used to when you're so invested in a person, their candidacy and, later, their term in office.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

I'm late to this, but I'm traveling so I'm having to catch things online a day or two later. But you know I'm always good for a Daily Show clip in threads like these, so enjoy: Fox News Fear Imbalance http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...fear-imbalance

And DS, you have to know that Limbaugh and the Fox News whack-jobs are going to be beside themselves about every single thing Obama does, it's all they have for the next 4 (or 8) years. You'll get along better and enjoy things more if you just ignore all that noise and certainly refrain from giving it more visibility by posting about all the things you'll think are offensive. Because there will more likely than not be MANY.

Thank you for the video...I missed that the other night...I needed the chuckle...now If I can figure out how to upload some of this stuff to my ipod....

Hmmmm...goooooggggllllleeee

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

No ...he was not.

They DID go to the Super Bowl in 2004 right?

Meanwhile that SAME year when his comments were made, what happened to Limbaugh?

Fired from ESPN and then not a few weeks afterwards, brought up on drug charges...Oxycontin remember?

...and you may want to check but he is one of the FEW high caliber QBs playing right now that gets more done with less to work with unlike uuuhhh...the Colts and Patriots?

Gosh, just imagine if T.O. didn't have such a primadonna persona what Philly could have accomplished.

Hell, dare I say, McNabb thus far is one of the ONLY reasons why the Eagles are on the map right now. Since he was drafted how many winning seasons has Philly had?

And ummm what about the NUMBER ONE PICK, Tim Couch? Where is he now?
And if memory serves Philly BOOED the decision (like they tend to boo most things) to draft McNabb.

Who was the last big name QB that Philly had before McNabb?

Randall Cunningham.

So, no...I would have to say Limbaugh was and still is very wrong about McNabb and Black QBs in general.

Actually, you're kind of wrong in most of your analysis here, and none of it has anything to do with Limbaugh's statements (not to derail with football talk while the wounds are open).

Think about this: why do advanced metrics always have the Philly offense as better "on paper" than they are on the score sheet? Why do they have a disproportionate amount of their yards happen between the 20s?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Actually, you're kind of wrong in most of your analysis here, and none of it has anything to do with Limbaugh's statements (not to derail with football talk while the wounds are open).

Think about this: why do advanced metrics always have the Philly offense as better "on paper" than they are on the score sheet? Why do they have a disproportionate amount of their yards happen between the 20s?

I'm not even gonna pretend that I know Philly football so I have to take you at your word.


Just in comparison and a very general one at that, from an outsider looking in...I still think that Donovan has had just as much success with what bits and peices he's had on offense (Westbrook whenever healthy plus whoever is the guest WR that year) than whatever Manning and Brady has had (at least up to this season...)


Something to consider...suppose McNabb won the Super Bowl ...how would he and Manning compare?

Just general stuff I'm throwing out there nothing to be considered gospel

So, educate me on your team, please.

** go for the hijack **

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I'm not even gonna pretend that I know Philly football so I have to take you at your word.


Just in comparison and a very general one at that, from an outsider looking in...I still think that Donovan has had just as much success with what bits and peices he's had on offense (Westbrook whenever healthy plus whoever is the guest WR that year) than whatever Manning and Brady has had (at least up to this season...)


Something to consider...suppose McNabb won the Super Bowl ...how would he and Manning compare?

Just general stuff I'm throwing out there nothing to be considered gospel

So, educate me on your team, please.

** go for the hijack **

The advanced metrics show that Manning is much more accurate than McNabb; McNabb does some things really well as a quarterback, but his accuracy is not one of his stronger suits. That's not just because of lack of receiving talent...there are ways to measure it independent of who the receivers are on the field.

You could make the argument Westbrook is one of the top 5-10 offensive players in the NFL...so as far as pieces go, he's a pretty good one to have. Plus, TO played well when he was in Philly, when looking purely at numbers (although I'm not sure if he had as many drops as he has with the Cowboys).

I'm not a Philly fan, so I'll leave the specifics up to KSigRC...I'm just going off of what I've seen on TV, and read on sites like Football Outsiders.

ETA: Madmax is anti-McNabb, though, so you'll probably hear about it from him. Plus, you mentioned something about Philly fans booing, so he'll probably jump in on that too.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

The advanced metrics show that Manning is much more accurate than McNabb; McNabb does some things really well as a quarterback, but his accuracy is not one of his stronger suits. That's not just because of lack of receiving talent...there are ways to measure it independent of who the receivers are on the field.

Oh, yeah now that first part I DO agree with whole heartedly...but I still wonder if he had a long tenured WR the caliber of Moss or TO, how much better he would be.

Because yes, to SOME degree a WR makes the QB and so on.

But when Rush said what he said about Black QBs in general he spat on all the accomplishments that Moon, Cunningham, Williams, and McNair had already made in changing the game.

[madmax]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Shortcut? Please?

Limbaugh is a long straight road leading nowhere...no mapquest needed.




No ...he was not.

They DID go to the Super Bowl in 2004 right?

Meanwhile that SAME year when his comments were made, what happened to Limbaugh?

Fired from ESPN and then not a few weeks afterwards, brought up on drug charges...Oxycontin remember?

...and you may want to check but he is one of the FEW high caliber QBs playing right now that gets more done with less to work with unlike uuuhhh...the Colts and Patriots?

Gosh, just imagine if T.O. didn't have such a primadonna persona what Philly could have accomplished.

Hell, dare I say, McNabb thus far is one of the ONLY reasons why the Eagles are on the map right now. Since he was drafted how many winning seasons has Philly had?

And ummm what about the NUMBER ONE PICK, Tim Couch? Where is he now?
And if memory serves Philly BOOED the decision (like they tend to boo most things) to draft McNabb.

Who was the last big name QB that Philly had before McNabb?

Randall Cunningham.

So, no...I would have to say Limbaugh was and still is very wrong about McNabb and Black QBs in general.

Your points are weak. Are you going to offer something that actually disputes Limbaugh's opinion on McNabb? I could just as easily point out Kordell Stewart, Akili Smith and all the black QBs that suck. That would probably be as stupid as all of your points.

McNabb is overrated!! Try watching a game. It is obvious that you get your info from Sports Center and you don't really watch the Eagles.

I will fill you in since you are clueless. The Eagles win with DEFENSE and special teams and Brian Westbrook.

McNabb can't shine Peyton Manning or Tom Brady's shoes. They are winners and leaders. McNabb is a punk ass momma's boy that had to get is brother to call TO and ask TO to stop picking on little Donovan.

AJ Feeley who sucks actually has a better winning percentage than Donovan. Jeff Garcia has a better winning percentage as an Eagle than Donovan.

Jerry Mondesire the head of the Philly chapter of the NAACP also rips Donovan. He doesn't rip him because he is black he just knows more about football than DamonSeid. Pro Boxer Bernard Hopkins rips McNabb every chance he gets.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by madmax

Your points are weak. Are you going to offer something that actually disputes Limbaugh's opinion on McNabb? I could just as easily point out Kordell Stewart, Akili Smith and all the black QBs that suck. That would probably be as stupid as all of your points.

McNabb is overrated!! Try watching a game. It is obvious that you get your info from Sports Center and you don't really watch the Eagles.

I will fill you in since you are clueless. The Eagles win with DEFENSE and special teams and Brian Westbrook.

McNabb can't shine Peyton Manning or Tom Brady's shoes. They are winners and leaders. McNabb is a punk ass momma's boy that had to get is brother to call TO and ask TO to stop picking on little Donovan.

AJ Feeley who sucks actually has a better winning percentage than Donovan. Jeff Garcia has a better winning percentage as an Eagle than Donovan.

Jerry Mondesire the head of the Philly chapter of the NAACP also rips Donovan. He doesn't rip him because he is black he just knows more about football than DamonSeid. Pro Boxer Bernard Hopkins rips McNabb every chance he gets.

** continuing the hijack**

So you are saying, if you give McNabb a high caliber WR, he wouldn't be better?

AJ Feely has a higher percentage but...is he starting? No.

Has he started all 16 games in a season? No.

I gues if I played say like 10 or 11 games and won 8 of them I would have a higher winning percentage too!

How many Pro Bowls has he been to? None

McNabb? 5


I personally think that McNabb and the Eagles do well considering they play in one of the toughest if not THE toughest division in the NFL.

Also this in keeping that I think that right now, as far as the Eagles have gone...they have gotten a lot farther with less than some 'stacked' teams like NY and Dallas did in at least these past 5 years.

And Brian Westbrook? WHen he is healthy HE IS A BEAST but hwne he is down...nothing to DO and it really still doesn't help that there is far to middlin' talent at WR. Put a Reggie Wayne out there and he would go to town...look at 2004..the year they went to the Super Bowl. Even before he got hurt, he was well on his way with having some of the best numbers he has had in his career thankfully in part to T.O.

Actually if I remember, THAT WAS his best year.

Shyte...look at this year alone!! NOBODY had the Eagles getting this far...and yeah, I am sincerely sorry that they lost but come on...NOBODY had them pegged for even a playoff spot.

I will be 'nice' and not call you stupid in return, but really you could have come up with a better example than a 3rd stringer like AJ Feeley.

Rip on McNabb all you want but best believe he works well with spare parts but put some high caliber WRs on that team, and I think he would prove you wrong.

And since I believe you are letting your intense dislike of McNabb blind you from making a this a relevant discourse, let's end the hijack here shall we?

And...for the record, I don't do a lot of ESPN. I have other sources that I use also and OF COURSE I DON'T GET THE EAGLES....I GET THOSE DAYUMED REDSKINS!!!!!! AAARRRGHGHGHHHHH

[madmax]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

** continuing the hijack**

So you are saying, if you give McNabb a high caliber WR, he wouldn't be better?

AJ Feely has a higher percentage but...is he starting? No.

Has he started all 16 games in a season? No.

I gues if I played say like 10 or 11 games and won 8 of them I would have a higher winning percentage too!

How many Pro Bowls has he been to? None

McNabb? 5


I personally think that McNabb and the Eagles do well considering they play in one of the toughest if not THE toughest division in the NFL.

Also this in keeping that I think that right now, as far as the Eagles have gone...they have gotten a lot farther with less than some 'stacked' teams like NY and Dallas did in at least these past 5 years.

And Brian Westbrook? WHen he is healthy HE IS A BEAST but hwne he is down...nothing to DO and it really still doesn't help that there is far to middlin' talent at WR. Put a Reggie Wayne out there and he would go to town...look at 2004..the year they went to the Super Bowl. Even before he got hurt, he was well on his way with having some of the best numbers he has had in his career thankfully in part to T.O.

Actually if I remember, THAT WAS his best year.

Shyte...look at this year alone!! NOBODY had the Eagles getting this far...and yeah, I am sincerely sorry that they lost but come on...NOBODY had them pegged for even a playoff spot.

I will be 'nice' and not call you stupid in return, but really you could have come up with a better example than a 3rd stringer like AJ Feeley.

Rip on McNabb all you want but best believe he works well with spare parts but put some high caliber WRs on that team, and I think he would prove you wrong.

And since I believe you are letting your intense dislike of McNabb blind you from making a this a relevant discourse, let's end the hijack here shall we?

And...for the record, I don't do a lot of ESPN. I have other sources that I use also and OF COURSE I DON'T GET THE EAGLES....I GET THOSE DAYUMED REDSKINS!!!!!! AAARRRGHGHGHHHHH

Another weak comeback. When are you going to dispute anything that Limbaugh said about Mcnabb?

You have so many irrelevant points I don't know where to start.

1. The NFC East is not the best division and for most of McNabb's career the NFC East was in the toilet. The Cowboys haven't won a playoff game in 13 years or so. The Redskins are not much better.

2. Pro Bowls. The Pro Bowl is a joke. It is nothing more than a popularity contest. Players make it on reputation. Where have you been? Gus Ferote and Trent Dilfer made the Pro Bowl.

3. AJ Feely. If you want another comparison then I will go with Jeff Garcia. McNabb has a total of ZERO come from behind wins in the last 4 years. ZERO!! I guess you missed that on sports center. Garcia had more come from behind wins in 6 starts with the Eagles than McNabb had in 4 years. Over the last 4 years McNabb is barely a .500 QB. In 2005 the team went 6-10. In 2006 the team went 10-6 thanks to Jeff Garcia. Mcnabb was 5-5 and the team was going down before Garcia came in and went 5-1. In 2007 the team started off 5-8 and won the last three meaningless games to go 8-8. McNabb is overrated!!


Your problem is you are a racist. You probably went to a Jerimiah Wright type church were you were brainwashed to hate whitey. You are so blinded by race that every time a black guy like McNabb gets criticized you want to blame it on race. You probably think OJ and Micheal Vick are "victims" being held down by da man. The reality is McNabb get criticized because of the way he plays. He threw 5 ints in a game in a half and he had a QB rating of 11 out of 145. McNabb is overrated. He is not a winner. He chokes in the big games. He is carried by the 3rd ranked defense in the league. Your racism angle with Cunningham is a joke. The majority of the people in the city are BLACK. How do you explain the fact that black teammates, other black athletes and the head of the local NAACP chapter criticize McNabb?

Stop watching the morons on ESPN that picked the Cowboys and think Brett Farve is a savoir. Watch the games and get a job. Like Obama said, "no more excuses."

holla

[madmax]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

The advanced metrics show that Manning is much more accurate than McNabb; McNabb does some things really well as a quarterback, but his accuracy is not one of his stronger suits. That's not just because of lack of receiving talent...there are ways to measure it independent of who the receivers are on the field.

You could make the argument Westbrook is one of the top 5-10 offensive players in the NFL...so as far as pieces go, he's a pretty good one to have. Plus, TO played well when he was in Philly, when looking purely at numbers (although I'm not sure if he had as many drops as he has with the Cowboys).

I'm not a Philly fan, so I'll leave the specifics up to KSigRC...I'm just going off of what I've seen on TV, and read on sites like Football Outsiders.

ETA: Madmax is anti-McNabb, though, so you'll probably hear about it from him. Plus, you mentioned something about Philly fans booing, so he'll probably jump in on that too.

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Woah, you may want to re-read my statement, because I was saying that Philly's reputation isn't deserved. Again, I said that "I don't think the reality is nearly as bad as the reputation." Thus, I said I don't really believe the reputation (which is the perception outside of Philly); I just think their fans are no worse than fans in New York or Boston or other cities that are crazy about sports.

People say the same thing about Boston (Fenway in particular) and NY (Yankee Stadium in particular) without having ever been there or having been to a game. I've seen Yankees fans treated well in Fenway, and Sox fans treated well in Yankee Stadium.
.......

The booing at the draft was so blown out of proportion. A total of 30 fans took a bus to NY for the draft. It was a trip sponsored by 610 wip radio and they all wanted the team to draft Ricky Williams. If you listen to the morons on ESPN they make it out as though there were 60,000 fans booing.

[PhiGam]

McNabb is good but Manning is one of the all time greats. As a die hard Dan Marino fan I will say that Peyton is the ONLY player that I will put on the same level as Marino in terms of passing ability.
The Eagles offense is only good when Brian Westbrook plays, he may be the best RB in the league right now.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by madmax

Your problem is you are a racist. You probably went to a Jerimiah Wright type church were you were brainwashed to hate whitey.


holla

This is when I stopped reading....clown.

READ muthafuckah READ...did I say it was the BEST division...NO..I said TOUGHEST...TOUGHEST DOES NOT EQUAL BEST AS THE AMOUNT OF AFC TEAMS WINNING THE SUPER BOWL THE LAST 10 OR SO YEARS WILL ATTEST TO.

AND no...both Vick and OJ got caught up in their own stupidness and deserve where they are supposed to be AS WELL AS Pacman Jones so you can kill that racist bullshit right there.


For your number 3 you could have had a cognizant argument right there and STOPPED and looked SMART before you started in with your narrow minded ig'nant ass view.

NOW....I will call you stupid.

Holla back when your yellow spine grows a brain.

Originally Posted by PhiGam

McNabb is good but Manning is one of the all time greats. As a die hard Dan Marino fan I will say that Peyton is the ONLY player that I will put on the same level as Marino in terms of passing ability.
The Eagles offense is only good when Brian Westbrook plays, he may be the best RB in the league right now.

I will agree with you on the first part but may disagree with you on the last part.

Would you put Westbrook over LT? (not gonna include AP in because he hasn't played long enough) If so, why?

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I will agree with you on the first part but may disagree with you on the last part.

Would you put Westbrook over LT? (not gonna include AP in because he hasn't played long enough) If so, why?

I feel that Westbrook is pretty much the entire Eagles' offense. He is explosive in the open field and their second best receiver (Jackson is amazing).
Tomlinson may be better but its hard to tell because that offense has a great receiving core (Jackson, Chambers, Gates, etc.) Not to mention that the guy backing up Tomlinson is Darren Sproles. This was a down year for him but LaDanian can't have another season where he averages 3.8 per carry if he wants to be considered the best IMO.
Side note: The fact that Favre made it to the pro bowl over Pennington proves that its a popularity contest.