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[madmax]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

** continuing the hijack**

So you are saying, if you give McNabb a high caliber WR, he wouldn't be better?

AJ Feely has a higher percentage but...is he starting? No.

Has he started all 16 games in a season? No.

I gues if I played say like 10 or 11 games and won 8 of them I would have a higher winning percentage too!

How many Pro Bowls has he been to? None

McNabb? 5


I personally think that McNabb and the Eagles do well considering they play in one of the toughest if not THE toughest division in the NFL.

Also this in keeping that I think that right now, as far as the Eagles have gone...they have gotten a lot farther with less than some 'stacked' teams like NY and Dallas did in at least these past 5 years.

And Brian Westbrook? WHen he is healthy HE IS A BEAST but hwne he is down...nothing to DO and it really still doesn't help that there is far to middlin' talent at WR. Put a Reggie Wayne out there and he would go to town...look at 2004..the year they went to the Super Bowl. Even before he got hurt, he was well on his way with having some of the best numbers he has had in his career thankfully in part to T.O.

Actually if I remember, THAT WAS his best year.

Shyte...look at this year alone!! NOBODY had the Eagles getting this far...and yeah, I am sincerely sorry that they lost but come on...NOBODY had them pegged for even a playoff spot.

I will be 'nice' and not call you stupid in return, but really you could have come up with a better example than a 3rd stringer like AJ Feeley.

Rip on McNabb all you want but best believe he works well with spare parts but put some high caliber WRs on that team, and I think he would prove you wrong.

And since I believe you are letting your intense dislike of McNabb blind you from making a this a relevant discourse, let's end the hijack here shall we?

And...for the record, I don't do a lot of ESPN. I have other sources that I use also and OF COURSE I DON'T GET THE EAGLES....I GET THOSE DAYUMED REDSKINS!!!!!! AAARRRGHGHGHHHHH

Another weak comeback. When are you going to dispute anything that Limbaugh said about Mcnabb?

You have so many irrelevant points I don't know where to start.

1. The NFC East is not the best division and for most of McNabb's career the NFC East was in the toilet. The Cowboys haven't won a playoff game in 13 years or so. The Redskins are not much better.

2. Pro Bowls. The Pro Bowl is a joke. It is nothing more than a popularity contest. Players make it on reputation. Where have you been? Gus Ferote and Trent Dilfer made the Pro Bowl.

3. AJ Feely. If you want another comparison then I will go with Jeff Garcia. McNabb has a total of ZERO come from behind wins in the last 4 years. ZERO!! I guess you missed that on sports center. Garcia had more come from behind wins in 6 starts with the Eagles than McNabb had in 4 years. Over the last 4 years McNabb is barely a .500 QB. In 2005 the team went 6-10. In 2006 the team went 10-6 thanks to Jeff Garcia. Mcnabb was 5-5 and the team was going down before Garcia came in and went 5-1. In 2007 the team started off 5-8 and won the last three meaningless games to go 8-8. McNabb is overrated!!


Your problem is you are a racist. You probably went to a Jerimiah Wright type church were you were brainwashed to hate whitey. You are so blinded by race that every time a black guy like McNabb gets criticized you want to blame it on race. You probably think OJ and Micheal Vick are "victims" being held down by da man. The reality is McNabb get criticized because of the way he plays. He threw 5 ints in a game in a half and he had a QB rating of 11 out of 145. McNabb is overrated. He is not a winner. He chokes in the big games. He is carried by the 3rd ranked defense in the league. Your racism angle with Cunningham is a joke. The majority of the people in the city are BLACK. How do you explain the fact that black teammates, other black athletes and the head of the local NAACP chapter criticize McNabb?

Stop watching the morons on ESPN that picked the Cowboys and think Brett Farve is a savoir. Watch the games and get a job. Like Obama said, "no more excuses."

holla

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by madmax

Your problem is you are a racist. You probably went to a Jerimiah Wright type church were you were brainwashed to hate whitey.


holla

This is when I stopped reading....clown.

READ muthafuckah READ...did I say it was the BEST division...NO..I said TOUGHEST...TOUGHEST DOES NOT EQUAL BEST AS THE AMOUNT OF AFC TEAMS WINNING THE SUPER BOWL THE LAST 10 OR SO YEARS WILL ATTEST TO.

AND no...both Vick and OJ got caught up in their own stupidness and deserve where they are supposed to be AS WELL AS Pacman Jones so you can kill that racist bullshit right there.


For your number 3 you could have had a cognizant argument right there and STOPPED and looked SMART before you started in with your narrow minded ig'nant ass view.

NOW....I will call you stupid.

Holla back when your yellow spine grows a brain.

Originally Posted by PhiGam

McNabb is good but Manning is one of the all time greats. As a die hard Dan Marino fan I will say that Peyton is the ONLY player that I will put on the same level as Marino in terms of passing ability.
The Eagles offense is only good when Brian Westbrook plays, he may be the best RB in the league right now.

I will agree with you on the first part but may disagree with you on the last part.

Would you put Westbrook over LT? (not gonna include AP in because he hasn't played long enough) If so, why?

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I will agree with you on the first part but may disagree with you on the last part.

Would you put Westbrook over LT? (not gonna include AP in because he hasn't played long enough) If so, why?

I feel that Westbrook is pretty much the entire Eagles' offense. He is explosive in the open field and their second best receiver (Jackson is amazing).
Tomlinson may be better but its hard to tell because that offense has a great receiving core (Jackson, Chambers, Gates, etc.) Not to mention that the guy backing up Tomlinson is Darren Sproles. This was a down year for him but LaDanian can't have another season where he averages 3.8 per carry if he wants to be considered the best IMO.
Side note: The fact that Favre made it to the pro bowl over Pennington proves that its a popularity contest.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

I feel that Westbrook is pretty much the entire Eagles' offense. He is explosive in the open field and their second best receiver (Jackson is amazing).
Tomlinson may be better but its hard to tell because that offense has a great receiving core (Jackson, Chambers, Gates, etc.) Not to mention that the guy backing up Tomlinson is Darren Sproles. This was a down year for him but LaDanian can't have another season where he averages 3.8 per carry if he wants to be considered the best IMO.
Side note: The fact that Favre made it to the pro bowl over Pennington proves that its a popularity contest.

Good observation and part of that I think is due to the lack of serious talent at WR.

Your RB should not be somewhere near your top WR if you have capable WRs on the field.

This goes right back into what I was saying:

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/spor...er_talent.html

Good point on LT BTW also. And the last 2 seasons (since Norv Turner took over) have been down seasons for LT.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Good observation and part of that I think is due to the lack of serious talent at WR.

Your RB should not be somewhere near your top WR if you have capable WRs on the field.

This goes right back into what I was saying:

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/spor...er_talent.html

Good point on LT BTW also. And the last 2 seasons (since Norv Turner took over) have been down seasons for LT.

Norv Turner sucks- I blame the collapse of the Dolphins on his poor decision-making as our offensive coordinator.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

Norv Turner sucks- I blame the collapse of the Dolphins on his poor decision-making as our offensive coordinator.

we can agree on that..I still dont understand how he keeps a job in the NFL.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

we can agree on that..I still dont understand how he keeps a job in the NFL.

People think he's a good coordinator for some reason... I've never seen it. His play calling in Miami was:
1st down: HB Dive
2nd down: HB Off tackle
3rd down: Incomplete pass

[madmax]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

I feel that Westbrook is pretty much the entire Eagles' offense. He is explosive in the open field and their second best receiver (Jackson is amazing).
Tomlinson may be better but its hard to tell because that offense has a great receiving core (Jackson, Chambers, Gates, etc.) Not to mention that the guy backing up Tomlinson is Darren Sproles. This was a down year for him but LaDanian can't have another season where he averages 3.8 per carry if he wants to be considered the best IMO.
Side note: The fact that Favre made it to the pro bowl over Pennington proves that its a popularity contest.

Westbrook isn't the entire offense. You even said Jackson is amazing. Some people even think he might be done. By the end of the season he only had about 120 yards in the last 3 playoff games combined. He made one play in the playoffs and that was a 2 yard screen pass in the Minnesotta game in which he went 70 yrds untouched with great downfield blocking. Corell Buckholter was a better rb by the end of the year. Most of the local press was calling for Buckholter to get the ball more. The Eagles offense would be fine if Andy Kotite would run the ball. The Eagles O line is built to run but Andy KOtite has games in which he passes 25 STRAIGHT times(Chargers a couple yrs ago) or 15 straight times this year vs the Redskins. Then when the team is trailing with no timeouts and the team is running the 2 minute drill Andy KOtite strarts running the ball. F'ing brilliant. With 10 seconds left in the game and no timeouts the ball on the 20 Troy Aikman specifically points out that Kordell McNabb has to go for the endzone or the clock won't stop and the Eagles will lose. What does Kordell do? He throws a 19 yard pass and the clock runs out and the Eagles lose.



Your point about Farve is 100% on the money. Farve was selected to the Pro Bowl and most Jets fans want to get rid of him. It is a popularity contest.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by madmax

Westbrook isn't the entire offense. You even said Jackson is amazing. Some people even think he might be done. By the end of the season he only had about 120 yards in the last 3 playoff games combined. He made one play in the playoffs and that was a 2 yard screen pass in the Minnesotta game in which he went 70 yrds untouched with great downfield blocking. Corell Buckholter was a better rb by the end of the year. Most of the local press was calling for Buckholter to get the ball more. The Eagles offense would be fine if Andy Kotite would run the ball. The Eagles O line is built to run but Andy KOtite has games in which he passes 25 STRAIGHT times(Chargers a couple yrs ago) or 15 straight times this year vs the Redskins. Then when the team is trailing with no timeouts and the team is running the 2 minute drill Andy KOtite strarts running the ball. F'ing brilliant. With 10 seconds left in the game and no timeouts the ball on the 20 Troy Aikman specifically points out that Kordell McNabb has to go for the endzone or the clock won't stop and the Eagles will lose. What does Kordell do? He throws a 19 yard pass and the clock runs out and the Eagles lose.



Your point about Farve is 100% on the money. Farve was selected to the Pro Bowl and most Jets fans want to get rid of him. It is a popularity contest.

Now...see how smart you sound while avoiding all the ig'nant shit?

Stay on that track and perhaps we can have some kind of civil gentlemanly discourse

[madmax]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Now...see how smart you sound while avoiding all the ig'nant shit?

Stay on that track and perhaps we can have some kind of civil gentlemanly discourse

Dont get uppity. You brought Randall Cuningham and Tim Couch. It was obvious YOU were trying to play the race card. Then when I slapped you around the block with the facts about McNabb.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by madmax

Dont get uppity. You brought Randall Cuningham and Tim Couch. It was obvious YOU were trying to play the race card. Then when I slapped you around the block with the facts about McNabb you backtracked.

dummy....dumb dumb dumb dummy...

Go back and see who was drafted ONE and TWO (AND THREE) in the 1999 draft.

Then SLAP YOURSELF upside the head.

"It was obvious YOU were trying to play the race card."

damn...please tell me you didn't just say that....SMH

as a matter of fact....here is a tickler for you while you rescind your race card...how many QBs from that draft are STILL ACTIVE and STARTING as of this past season?

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by madmax

Westbrook isn't the entire offense. You even said Jackson is amazing. Some people even think he might be done. By the end of the season he only had about 120 yards in the last 3 playoff games combined. He made one play in the playoffs and that was a 2 yard screen pass in the Minnesotta game in which he went 70 yrds untouched with great downfield blocking. Corell Buckholter was a better rb by the end of the year. Most of the local press was calling for Buckholter to get the ball more. The Eagles offense would be fine if Andy Kotite would run the ball. The Eagles O line is built to run but Andy KOtite has games in which he passes 25 STRAIGHT times(Chargers a couple yrs ago) or 15 straight times this year vs the Redskins. Then when the team is trailing with no timeouts and the team is running the 2 minute drill Andy KOtite strarts running the ball. F'ing brilliant. With 10 seconds left in the game and no timeouts the ball on the 20 Troy Aikman specifically points out that Kordell McNabb has to go for the endzone or the clock won't stop and the Eagles will lose. What does Kordell do? He throws a 19 yard pass and the clock runs out and the Eagles lose.



Your point about Farve is 100% on the money. Farve was selected to the Pro Bowl and most Jets fans want to get rid of him. It is a popularity contest.

How did you guys do in the games where Westbrook didn't play? I want to say that yall we 0-4 when he didn't play. Without him all of the Eagles check down/ screen options are eliminated and as we all know McNabb is terrible against the Blitz. Buckhalter may be as good of a runner as Westbrook but in a west coast style offense it is far more important to have a running back who is a threat on screen plays.

[madmax]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

How did you guys do in the games where Westbrook didn't play? I want to say that yall we 0-4 when he didn't play. Without him all of the Eagles check down/ screen options are eliminated and as we all know McNabb is terrible against the Blitz. Buckhalter may be as good of a runner as Westbrook but in a west coast style offense it is far more important to have a running back who is a threat on screen plays.

Westbrook only missed 2 games. The Eagles were 1-1 and should have been 2-0 but Andy Kotite gave away the Bears game. The team went 8-5-1 with Westbrook.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by madmax

Westbrook only missed 2 games. The Eagles were 1-1 and should have been 2-0 but Andy Kotite gave away the Bears game. The team went 8-5-1 with Westbrook.

Besides this, every stat shows that in 08 Buckhalter was markedly better in the passing game - FO's stats have him top 10 in the league and Westbrook much further down in the middle of the pack.

Westbrook is the most important player in the offense, but his contribution is somewhat overblown - probably the most important offensive contribution comes from the defense/special teams, in turnovers and field position.