Male "Sorority" Controversy at Tennessee State

[OneTimeSBX]

i can agree with expelling those who lie, be it about gender/sex or anything else...it just seems it would be so hurtful to that man/woman who had already been stereotyped and had prejudices held against them for that decision. i mean, some of these people lose their jobs, spouses, children, everyone, just to be what they feel they should have been to start. i imagine it would hurt being rejected by the only group that accepted you! just goes to show, honesty is the best policy!

(sorry, im a softy at heart!)

[Ilaria Ame]

Originally Posted by TSteven

Are you sure?

hahaha, thought about that actually, after i made the post. who's to tell? we don't ask for medical history either and i mean, we don't exactly line women up and judge if they're really female, lol.

[Ilaria Ame]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Yes.

would you really? i mean, these...um, humans....have already gone through their process and proven themselves worthy of membership...they've (theoretically) been a member for awhile and (again, theoretically) been upstanding members who hold the ideals of DST to heart...you wouldn't even consider it?

edit: i'm speaking of a transgender woman, not a man who had a sex-change in this case. why should someone be faulted for something they can't control?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

i can agree with expelling those who lie, be it about gender/sex or anything else...it just seems it would be so hurtful to that man/woman who had already been stereotyped and had prejudices held against them for that decision. i mean, some of these people lose their jobs, spouses, children, everyone, just to be what they feel they should have been to start. i imagine it would hurt being rejected by the only group that accepted you! just goes to show, honesty is the best policy!

(sorry, im a softy at heart!)

I was jokingly serious.

We would have lawsuits if we expelled those who obtained membership before our sex vs. gender policy was enacted.

But I don't foresee this being an issue..

[Ilaria Ame]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I was jokingly serious.

We would have lawsuits if we expelled those who obtained membership before our sex vs. gender policy.

But I don't foresee this being an issue..

ah. yeah, me neither. it's just one of those hypothetical things.

[tauforlife1987]

I have always understood that the gender ideals was based on tradition. Now I don't want to sound trite but tradition is one thing that makes the fraternity or sorority. Now i agree also that everyone fits in somewhere but I don't think i could be very perceptive to transgender rushees just because its not in the rule books. Now technically that is discrimination but i really wonder how all that works? As long as people push the norms of society will we ever know what is truly acceptable. Even though i wouldn't approve of having a transgender brother as long as he held to the values of my organization id have to and want to call him brother.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by tauforlife1987

As long as people push the norms of society will we ever know what is truly acceptable.

No. There is no such thing as TRULY acceptable (or moral). It always has been and always will be based on a society's concept of normative versus deviant behavior.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

i can agree with expelling those who lie, be it about gender/sex or anything else...it just seems it would be so hurtful to that man/woman who had already been stereotyped and had prejudices held against them for that decision. i mean, some of these people lose their jobs, spouses, children, everyone, just to be what they feel they should have been to start. i imagine it would hurt being rejected by the only group that accepted you! just goes to show, honesty is the best policy!

(sorry, im a softy at heart!)

yes lying on the application is an expellable offense. But my question was more about those who were initiated before there was such a clause specifying they had to have been born a female, or such a question asked on the application.

[IncontRHOllable]

Interesting discussion, carry on.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

yes lying on the application is an expellable offense. But my question was more about those who were initiated before there was such a clause specifying they had to have been born a female, or such a question asked on the application.

We may get some lawsuits if we did a retroactive policy and expelled members as such.

Originally Posted by IncontRHOllable

Interesting discussion, carry on.

Uh...ok....

[tauforlife1987]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

No. There is no such thing as TRULY acceptable (or moral). It always has been and always will be based on a society's concept of normative versus deviant behavior.

Well the values i were intiated into says otherwise, and thats on a person by person basis i know, but according to my fraternal values which i live up to everyday says that there is a moral code of the way a man should act and conduct his self. So thats my story and i'm sticking to it. And I am sure you have values that you choose to live up to that are apart of your organization. I think thats what people forget about fraternities. Yes we have fun, but its seriously more than that. Otherwise what sets the Greek experience apart from the average everyday colleigate one!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by tauforlife1987

according to my fraternal values which i live up to everyday says that there is a moral code of the way a man should act and conduct his self

Based on this society's moral code for men.

You may go to another society or to a subgroup within this society and your moral code isn't worth anything. That's why moral entrepeneurs have to remember that their standards aren't the TRUTH. It's just a subjective reality and others abiding by it doesn't make it the final word.

(I don't know why you're responding to my post like you disagree. Wasn't I agreeing with you and/or answering your rhetorical question in your first post?)

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by tauforlife1987

Otherwise what sets the Greek experience apart from the average everyday colleigate one!

Nothing but group membership and guidelines.

[tauforlife1987]

It's more than just guidelines and group membership. I don't know how it is in NPHC, i hope its more and it was more to you than just that. Being Greek is way more than guidelines and group memberships. I hope that sounded more general than you meant it.

[pinkies up]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I went on a date with this Sigma who claims his line brother became a woman.

And no, I didn't ask him if his LB then automatically became a Zeta, but you know I was thinking it real hard.

I was just about to ask that...