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06-21-2007, 10:47 PM
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I have always understood that the gender ideals was based on tradition. Now I don't want to sound trite but tradition is one thing that makes the fraternity or sorority. Now i agree also that everyone fits in somewhere but I don't think i could be very perceptive to transgender rushees just because its not in the rule books. Now technically that is discrimination but i really wonder how all that works? As long as people push the norms of society will we ever know what is truly acceptable. Even though i wouldn't approve of having a transgender brother as long as he held to the values of my organization id have to and want to call him brother.
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06-21-2007, 11:08 PM
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As long as people push the norms of society will we ever know what is truly acceptable.
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No. There is no such thing as TRULY acceptable (or moral). It always has been and always will be based on a society's concept of normative versus deviant behavior.
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06-21-2007, 11:18 PM
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Interesting discussion, carry on.
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06-21-2007, 11:41 PM
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yes lying on the application is an expellable offense. But my question was more about those who were initiated before there was such a clause specifying they had to have been born a female, or such a question asked on the application.
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We may get some lawsuits if we did a retroactive policy and expelled members as such.
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Interesting discussion, carry on.
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Uh...ok....
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06-22-2007, 11:32 AM
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We may get some lawsuits if we did a retroactive policy and expelled members as such.
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Exactly!
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06-21-2007, 11:45 PM
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No. There is no such thing as TRULY acceptable (or moral). It always has been and always will be based on a society's concept of normative versus deviant behavior.
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Well the values i were intiated into says otherwise, and thats on a person by person basis i know, but according to my fraternal values which i live up to everyday says that there is a moral code of the way a man should act and conduct his self. So thats my story and i'm sticking to it. And I am sure you have values that you choose to live up to that are apart of your organization. I think thats what people forget about fraternities. Yes we have fun, but its seriously more than that. Otherwise what sets the Greek experience apart from the average everyday colleigate one!
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06-21-2007, 11:54 PM
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according to my fraternal values which i live up to everyday says that there is a moral code of the way a man should act and conduct his self
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Based on this society's moral code for men.
You may go to another society or to a subgroup within this society and your moral code isn't worth anything. That's why moral entrepeneurs have to remember that their standards aren't the TRUTH. It's just a subjective reality and others abiding by it doesn't make it the final word.
(I don't know why you're responding to my post like you disagree. Wasn't I agreeing with you and/or answering your rhetorical question in your first post?)
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06-21-2007, 11:57 PM
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Otherwise what sets the Greek experience apart from the average everyday colleigate one!
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Nothing but group membership and guidelines.
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06-22-2007, 12:19 AM
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It's more than just guidelines and group membership. I don't know how it is in NPHC, i hope its more and it was more to you than just that. Being Greek is way more than guidelines and group memberships. I hope that sounded more general than you meant it.
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06-22-2007, 09:22 AM
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It's more than just guidelines and group membership. I don't know how it is in NPHC, i hope its more and it was more to you than just that. Being Greek is way more than guidelines and group memberships. I hope that sounded more general than you meant it.
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Actually, it's not even group membership and guidelines. Depending on where you find your "average college student."
Are GLO members the only collegiate and noncollegiate people who can form sisterhood and brotherhood bonds and adhere to a "moral"/standards/protocol code higher than themselves? No.
A more general definition of "fraternal" lets us know that the bonds, networks, and guidelines that we often speak about have been found in many other places. Hence, GLOs aren't for everybody and many of those who don't join have been able to find a lot of the same benefits elsewhere.
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