Male "Sorority" Controversy at Tennessee State

DSTCHAOS · #1 06-21-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ilaria Ame

"women at heart" (read: gay)

Transgender and transsexual aren't the same thing as being homosexual.

It's the distinction between sex, gender, and sexual orientation.

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Sororities need to specify that your birth sex has to be female. This will prevent men whose GENDER (which is social versus "sex" which is biological) is female from attempting to join. It may also prevent hermaphrodites if the sex is ambiguous.

DSTCHAOS · #2 06-21-2007, 03:24 PM

I watched a show on transsexual and transgenderism last night.

Very interesting and it fits into what the gender and sexuality literature discuss.

I was reminded of the two transgender "women" I met a few months ago. They were obviously born men and had just begun female hormones. I was waiting for one of them to say that "she" wanted to be a Delta.

OneTimeSBX · #3 06-21-2007, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Sororities need to specify that your birth sex has to be female. This will prevent men whose GENDER (which is social versus "sex" which is biological) is female from attempting to join. It may also prevent hermaphrodites if the sex is ambiguous.

yes, if that is the way it is going to be, it needs to be specified. once you get your surgeries, DMV will let you change your gender on your license. specifying birth gender will solve that...but it also brings to light the fact that there are women who are born women, but their sex is male!

DSTCHAOS · #4 06-21-2007, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

yes, if that is the way it is going to be, it needs to be specified. once you get your surgeries, DMV will let you change your gender on your license. specifying birth gender will solve that...but it also brings to light the fact that there are women who are born women, but their sex is male!

You mean men who were born female? True so the specification would be "sex: female and gender: woman."

Then we'd have to worry about whether people are disclosing their full medical history. We don't require medical histories for applicants so we would have to trust that people are honest.

ladygreek · #5 06-21-2007, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Sororities need to specify that your birth sex has to be female. This will prevent men whose GENDER (which is social versus "sex" which is biological) is female from attempting to join. It may also prevent hermaphrodites if the sex is ambiguous.

Would we then expell those who may already be members?

OneTimeSBX · #6 06-21-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ladygreek

Would we then expell those who may already be members?

i was thinking the same thing...i can't believe there isnt a single transgendered person in any of the GLO's. there may not be many, but there have got to be some out of the millions of greeks!

Senusret I · #7 06-21-2007, 04:26 PM

I went on a date with this Sigma who claims his line brother became a woman.

And no, I didn't ask him if his LB then automatically became a Zeta, but you know I was thinking it real hard.

nonchalant · #8 06-21-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

I went on a date with this Sigma who claims his line brother became a woman.

And no, I didn't ask him if his LB then automatically became a Zeta, but you know I was thinking it real hard.

You are too much.**Knowing I'm wondering the same thing**

pinkies up · #9 06-22-2007, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

I went on a date with this Sigma who claims his line brother became a woman.

And no, I didn't ask him if his LB then automatically became a Zeta, but you know I was thinking it real hard.

I was just about to ask that...

DSTCHAOS · #10 06-21-2007, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ladygreek

Would we then expell those who may already be members?

Yes.

OneTimeSBX · #11 06-21-2007, 04:31 PM

i can agree with expelling those who lie, be it about gender/sex or anything else...it just seems it would be so hurtful to that man/woman who had already been stereotyped and had prejudices held against them for that decision. i mean, some of these people lose their jobs, spouses, children, everyone, just to be what they feel they should have been to start. i imagine it would hurt being rejected by the only group that accepted you! just goes to show, honesty is the best policy!

(sorry, im a softy at heart!)

DSTCHAOS · #12 06-21-2007, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

i can agree with expelling those who lie, be it about gender/sex or anything else...it just seems it would be so hurtful to that man/woman who had already been stereotyped and had prejudices held against them for that decision. i mean, some of these people lose their jobs, spouses, children, everyone, just to be what they feel they should have been to start. i imagine it would hurt being rejected by the only group that accepted you! just goes to show, honesty is the best policy!

(sorry, im a softy at heart!)

I was jokingly serious.

We would have lawsuits if we expelled those who obtained membership before our sex vs. gender policy was enacted.

But I don't foresee this being an issue..

Ilaria Ame · #13 06-21-2007, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I was jokingly serious.

We would have lawsuits if we expelled those who obtained membership before our sex vs. gender policy.

But I don't foresee this being an issue..

ah. yeah, me neither. it's just one of those hypothetical things.

tauforlife1987 · #14 06-21-2007, 10:47 PM

I have always understood that the gender ideals was based on tradition. Now I don't want to sound trite but tradition is one thing that makes the fraternity or sorority. Now i agree also that everyone fits in somewhere but I don't think i could be very perceptive to transgender rushees just because its not in the rule books. Now technically that is discrimination but i really wonder how all that works? As long as people push the norms of society will we ever know what is truly acceptable. Even though i wouldn't approve of having a transgender brother as long as he held to the values of my organization id have to and want to call him brother.

ladygreek · #15 06-21-2007, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

i can agree with expelling those who lie, be it about gender/sex or anything else...it just seems it would be so hurtful to that man/woman who had already been stereotyped and had prejudices held against them for that decision. i mean, some of these people lose their jobs, spouses, children, everyone, just to be what they feel they should have been to start. i imagine it would hurt being rejected by the only group that accepted you! just goes to show, honesty is the best policy!

(sorry, im a softy at heart!)

yes lying on the application is an expellable offense. But my question was more about those who were initiated before there was such a clause specifying they had to have been born a female, or such a question asked on the application.