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Old 06-14-2013, 11:54 AM
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I thought you were being sarcastic. I get what you mean about people being the way they are based on what they were taught for "birth" (assuming that's what you were trying to say), but that's not what a birthright is. It's more like an inheritance or an entitlement from birth, not what they've been taught.
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Old 06-14-2013, 04:05 PM
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It's more like an inheritance .
Right. I'm speaking of how you were raised, and what you grew up observing from your family and the environment around you. Your family is not optional. We don't get to choose who these people are (good or bad). Therefore, you will in "inherit" data from your family, past experiences, conversations, and observations, which will greatly influence your decisions as an adult. Your thoughts determine your decisions, and your decisions determine your future and how you interact and connect with others. Get it? This is why I don't believe a woman or a man has to "walk in someone else's shoes" to be respectable to others. If they are rude, it has little, if nothing at all to do with you, because they were already that way before they got to you.
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Old 06-14-2013, 04:18 PM
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This is why I don't believe a woman or a man has to "walk in someone else's shoes" to be respectable to others. If they are rude, it has little, if nothing at all to do with you, because they were already that way before they got to you.
So new life experiences can't change them in any way? We should all just accept that rude people will always be rude because of the things that have happened in their life previously? I for one am not willing to just give up on people like that. I agree with the others that walking in someone else's shoes can give someone a new perspective they might not have had before.
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Old 06-14-2013, 04:55 PM
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So new life experiences can't change them in any way?
No one ever has to be stuck because of the people she or he came from, or their past experiences. You will get as much out of your (in general) life as you put into it.

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We should all just accept that rude people will always be rude because of the things that have happened in their life previously?
You can accept who and whatever you choose to accept. That's your choice. Not mine.

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I for one am not willing to just give up on people like that. I agree with the others that walking in someone else's shoes can give someone a new perspective they might not have had before.
Okay.
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Old 06-14-2013, 05:08 PM
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No one ever has to be stuck because of the people she or he came from, or their past experiences. You will get as much out of your (in general) life as you put into it.


You can accept who and whatever you choose to accept. That's your choice. Not mine.


Okay.
Well, now you've just convinced me that you are being willfully obtuse. Either that or you're having a really bad day.
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Old 06-14-2013, 05:22 PM
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Well, now you've just convinced me that you are being willfully obtuse. Either that or you're having a really bad day.
Actually, I'm having a great day. Although you've raised some great points, I don't think either one of us is being "willfully obtuse" we just don't agree, that's all. When two people can't agree, I think it's always wise and beneficial for both people to agree to disagree.
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Old 06-14-2013, 06:53 PM
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I watched the first 30 seconds or so of the video, and really didn't need to watch more of it to make the conclusion that she's just another negative individual. I really didn't think her anger had much to do with what she was bitching about.

I also read what others had to say, and all points seem valid, to me. On the flip side of that, I'm all about growth. And I know that I can't grow on my own. I think we all need other people in order to grow. For this reason, I have to leave bad influences behind. If someone is just downright disrespectful, and negative, I have to remove myself from people like that, because I know that I will be held responsible for the company I keep. It just has such a strong effect on me -and because my gift of "choice" is involved, I know that I will never be able to blame my lack of growth on another person. Just can't hang with folks like that. Hopefully she can overcome her deep seeded issues, and later change to become a better, more positive person.
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:31 PM
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I got a sandwich at Jimmy John's tonight, and the cashier asked (as they always do) if I wanted my receipt. Then she asked again when she pulled it out of the machine..."I can't remember, did you say you wanted the receipt?" I asked her if she'd watched the Dunkin' Donuts viral video, because she seemed to be extra conscientious about the receipt! She said they had been talking about it.
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Old 06-15-2013, 01:53 PM
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With me, I'm not missing your point, and you aren't missing mine. We don't agree, that's what it is. I understand that people here are venting. You and I have already discussed that. My point was an "asshole" (if that's what you want to call them) is going to be an "asshole" regardless. They are always right in their own eyes, and that is a character issue. It is a character issue because it is based on that person's experiences long before she/he got to the person she/he is mistreating or being an "asshole" to. These people don't offer much grace for other people's failings or mistakes because they can't relate to anything other than their own experiences (based on how they were raised). And a character is not someone you pretend to be, it is who you are. And that simply is based on years of conditioning, which comes from your parents, teachers, family, friends, etc. and/or who you associate yourself with. So once again, it has very little to do with a receipt, or with the clerk.
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Right. I'm speaking of how you were raised, and what you grew up observing from your family and the environment around you. Your family is not optional. We don't get to choose who these people are (good or bad). Therefore, you will in "inherit" data from your family, past experiences, conversations, and observations, which will greatly influence your decisions as an adult. Your thoughts determine your decisions, and your decisions determine your future and how you interact and connect with others. Get it? This is why I don't believe a woman or a man has to "walk in someone else's shoes" to be respectable to others. If they are rude, it has little, if nothing at all to do with you, because they were already that way before they got to you.
Ironically, you're arguing our point by saying that experiences are what shape a person's attitudes and actions.

We're not arguing that people HAVE to walk in someone else's shoes to be respectable to others, but that it CAN happen, and that some people are respectful regardless of whether or not they've shared a similar experience.

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Old 06-15-2013, 01:57 PM
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Well, now you've just convinced me that you are being willfully obtuse. Either that or you're having a really bad day.
Wow. Why so defensive? You asked her some questions, and she replied accordingly.

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I got a sandwich at Jimmy John's tonight, and the cashier asked (as they always do) if I wanted my receipt. Then she asked again when she pulled it out of the machine..."I can't remember, did you say you wanted the receipt?" I asked her if she'd watched the Dunkin' Donuts viral video, because she seemed to be extra conscientious about the receipt! She said they had been talking about it.
Lol. I'm just surprised that people watched it, and took it seriously.

I actually just came over here to say that what I like about FedEx is that they give Center Managers the authority to remove extremely rude and inconsiderate customers from the center. As a matter of fact, my DM called one of our customers who has always been like that, and he told her that she will not be able to come back if she is going to treat his employees that way. She's been an angel ever since that conversation. Lol.
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Old 06-15-2013, 02:12 PM
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and that some people are respectful regardless of whether or not they've shared a similar experience.
Looks like both of you are saying the same thing here.
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Old 06-15-2013, 03:19 PM
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our lives are made up of things or people who have already developed their own belief system from sources in their own particular lives. Essentially, we are all trained to believe what they believe, our mind-set made to reflect their own, and the environment we grew up in.

So what I am saying to you is every last one of us are bits and pieces of every thing and every person we have encountered. Therefore it makes common sense to me that our self-image, self-worth, mental attitude, and self-confidence will rise or fall dependent to a large extent on that of our trainers and the things we are exposed to throughout our lives and this includes the environment we were raised in..
There's really no way around this "oldie but goodie". I'd have gone back and posted this and been done with the entire conversation. I wish I could make it a siggy, because if this isn't the truth then I don't know what is.
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Old 06-15-2013, 03:30 PM
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Wow. Why so defensive? You asked her some questions, and she replied accordingly.
You're still new, but you'll soon learn what a lot of folks on here and IRL generally respond to. Personality vs principle.
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Old 06-15-2013, 03:32 PM
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Looks like both of you are saying the same thing here.
Right... which is why I'm confused as to why we're all supposedly "disagreeing"...

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Actually, I'm having a great day. Although you've raised some great points, I don't think either one of us is being "willfully obtuse" we just don't agree, that's all. When two people can't agree, I think it's always wise and beneficial for both people to agree to disagree.
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Right... which is why I'm confused as to why we're all supposedly "disagreeing"...
LOL! When I read the debate I....
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