McCain suspends campaign to go back to DC to work on bailout

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

To be fair it still isn't a bipartisan consensus, the House GOP Caucus still opposes it, so the Democrats have apparently just started to decide that they'll pass it themselves (seeing as how they had a majority to start with).

The idea is/was that they need to get more members on board so it looks like a bipartisan deal and not a party line vote and is more reassuring to citizens. And according to GOP congressional leaders that won't happen unless they end up with something McCain will support. So from that perspective, having him in the negotiations will help get GOP support and make the bill look better, even if it would have passed to start with.

Looks better...BUT will it work??

You JUST said...the bill would have passed from the jump...THUS....McCain 'needed' to be there for what again? To make the bill look better??????

RRIIIIiiiiiiiight.

You can put lipstick on a pig...but it doesn't mean it will look better!!

Hell you can put lipstick on a pitbull, it's still going to bite you if you piss it off!
(couldn't resist!! HAH!)

and if it makes you feel more comfy....BOTH just left the White House....turn on CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/...rap/index.html

[CrackerBarrel]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Looks better...BUT will it work??

You JUST said...the bill would have passed from the jump...THUS....McCain 'needed' to be there for what again? To make the bill look better??????

RRIIIIiiiiiiiight.

You can put lipstick on a pig...but it doesn't mean it will look better!!

Hell you can put lipstick on a pitbull, it's still going to bite you if you piss it off!
(couldn't resist!! HAH!)

and if it makes you feel more comfy....BOTH just left the White House....turn on CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/...rap/index.html

I'm kind of starting to think you're an idiot. Read things in context and stop just trying to go "Gotcha! hahaha dumb republican" in every response.

My exact quote was "The idea is/was that they need to get more members on board so it looks like a bipartisan deal and not a party line vote and is more reassuring to citizens."

Yes, if they wanted to pass it on a party line vote they could have last Thursday. It's had the Democratic votes to pass all along. So why hasn't it? Because BOTH PARTIES WANT IT TO LOOK BIPARTISAN.

And both have said that they want to know how McCain is going to vote or what they need to get his vote. Why? Because the Democrats don't want to back it and have McCain not and be stuck in a corner with the President while Republicans don't want to put out a policy position to have pinned to their nominee if he doesn't agree with it. Looking at the fact that both sides have been watching to see what he's going to do, it kind of makes more sense for him to be there, doesn't it?

[pbear19]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

Looking at the fact that both sides have been watching to see what he's going to do, it kind of makes more sense for him to be there, doesn't it?

I personally don't disagree with the idea of why congress cares about McCain's vote. But, I still disagree with this last bit. In today's technological age he doesn't have to physically be there to communicate his position. If he wanted to, he could debate the issue, mull it over with his advisors like he is anyway, and lay out where he stands on the issue from afar. Being physically present is not a requisite part of giving his opinion.

It could easily be said that putting himself physically there and not voicing his opinion (when he and everyone else knows why it matters) is only heightening the drama and is a ploy to get him more press (and press that has nothing to do with Palin sounding ridiculous with Couric last night or the Davis story that was picking up steam).

[CrackerBarrel]

Oh I agree, going is partly a ploy to get press. And it's a smart one, it will work I think.

But it's partly McCain's personality too. I've read on a couple of blogs (I'll save you the trouble of not clicking on them, it was The National Review and The Weekly Standard) that everyone close to McCain says its the way he has always worked, he feels like he gets a better handle on a situation by being physically involved with it. He feels like he understands it better by being there or something.

And I think it will play well with voters because it comes across as "Instead of phoning in my opinion and hoping someone listens, I'm going to go in there and get my hands dirty for it." And that's the "presidential" imagery that the McCain camp has been trying to play up.

So it may not be helpful at all, but at least now everyone that wanted to will know where McCain stands, he feels like he's done something about it, and maybe hopefully it will pick up some votes too.

[nittanyalum]

Ok, first, before I comment on part of this post, I want to ask why you didn't take off on KSigRC when he called voters "stupid" -- didn't you get on me about "the left" treating voters like they were stupid last week or so? Jeez, he flat out CALLED them stupid.

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

And I think it will play well with voters because it comes across as "Instead of phoning in my opinion and hoping someone listens, I'm going to go in there and get my hands dirty for it." And that's the "presidential" imagery that the McCain camp has been trying to play up.

See, and maybe it's because I'm a little older, but when McCain says he's diving in to get his hands dirty with financial industry regulation (or lack thereof) and resulting bailouts, all I think of is.... Keating 5. So, not so presidential for me. He was slapped on the wrist for "bad judgment" back then and I haven't seen one thing in the last almost 20 years that shows his judgment's improved on this issue since then.

[CrackerBarrel]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Ok, first, before I comment on part of this post, I want to ask why you didn't take off on KSigRC when he called voters "stupid" -- didn't you get on me about "the left" treating voters like they were stupid last week or so? Jeez, he flat out CALLED them stupid.

Because I don't entirely disagree with it, I just think it's dumb politics to tell voters you think so, either directly or by implying it.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

Because I don't entirely disagree with it, I just think it's dumb politics to tell voters you think so, either directly or by implying it.

LOL. Oh, ok, as long as you apply the judgment fairly.

[pbear19]

So now I'm reading that congressional leaders are meeting again at 8:00 (which I guess means they are in meetings now) but that McCain went home at 5:00. (As did Obama, for the record.)

Now, bear in mind I don't think either of them need to be there. But why is McCain not making a point to be there, after all his drama about how vital his presence is? And why is he still not committed to the debate, when he is demonstrating tonight that he believes the process can continue without his direct input?

It's ridiculously hypocritical to me. Again, I personally don't think he needs to be in Washington (I think since he got there it's gotten worse), but if he is going to make a huge fuss about how he has to be present, how can he then not be there?

[nittanyalum]

Bob Schieffer doesn't even believe McCain.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Bob Schieffer doesn't even believe McCain.

daily show?

[nittanyalum]

LOL. Am I that predictable or do you have it on?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

LOL. Am I that predictable or do you have it on?

both....because we are hear laffin our arses off...dont forget to bid on my bucket to nowhere

[DaemonSeid]

o wow!!! I actually got a bid on it!!!

[pbear19]

I'm wondering how many nights Letterman will be bringing up the fact that McCain ditched him for apparently no reason. He certainly doesn't seem less miffed in the show recorded today!

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

o wow!!! I actually got a bid on it!!!

lol that wasn't me!