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Old 09-25-2008, 05:12 PM
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To be fair it still isn't a bipartisan consensus, the House GOP Caucus still opposes it, so the Democrats have apparently just started to decide that they'll pass it themselves (seeing as how they had a majority to start with).

The idea is/was that they need to get more members on board so it looks like a bipartisan deal and not a party line vote and is more reassuring to citizens. And according to GOP congressional leaders that won't happen unless they end up with something McCain will support. So from that perspective, having him in the negotiations will help get GOP support and make the bill look better, even if it would have passed to start with.
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Old 09-25-2008, 05:17 PM
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To be fair it still isn't a bipartisan consensus, the House GOP Caucus still opposes it, so the Democrats have apparently just started to decide that they'll pass it themselves (seeing as how they had a majority to start with).

The idea is/was that they need to get more members on board so it looks like a bipartisan deal and not a party line vote and is more reassuring to citizens. And according to GOP congressional leaders that won't happen unless they end up with something McCain will support. So from that perspective, having him in the negotiations will help get GOP support and make the bill look better, even if it would have passed to start with.
Looks better...BUT will it work??

You JUST said...the bill would have passed from the jump...THUS....McCain 'needed' to be there for what again? To make the bill look better??????

RRIIIIiiiiiiiight.

You can put lipstick on a pig...but it doesn't mean it will look better!!

Hell you can put lipstick on a pitbull, it's still going to bite you if you piss it off!
(couldn't resist!! HAH!)

and if it makes you feel more comfy....BOTH just left the White House....turn on CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/...rap/index.html
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Old 09-25-2008, 06:29 PM
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Looks better...BUT will it work??

You JUST said...the bill would have passed from the jump...THUS....McCain 'needed' to be there for what again? To make the bill look better??????

RRIIIIiiiiiiiight.

You can put lipstick on a pig...but it doesn't mean it will look better!!

Hell you can put lipstick on a pitbull, it's still going to bite you if you piss it off!
(couldn't resist!! HAH!)

and if it makes you feel more comfy....BOTH just left the White House....turn on CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/...rap/index.html
I'm kind of starting to think you're an idiot. Read things in context and stop just trying to go "Gotcha! hahaha dumb republican" in every response.

My exact quote was "The idea is/was that they need to get more members on board so it looks like a bipartisan deal and not a party line vote and is more reassuring to citizens."

Yes, if they wanted to pass it on a party line vote they could have last Thursday. It's had the Democratic votes to pass all along. So why hasn't it? Because BOTH PARTIES WANT IT TO LOOK BIPARTISAN.

And both have said that they want to know how McCain is going to vote or what they need to get his vote. Why? Because the Democrats don't want to back it and have McCain not and be stuck in a corner with the President while Republicans don't want to put out a policy position to have pinned to their nominee if he doesn't agree with it. Looking at the fact that both sides have been watching to see what he's going to do, it kind of makes more sense for him to be there, doesn't it?
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Old 09-25-2008, 06:35 PM
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Looking at the fact that both sides have been watching to see what he's going to do, it kind of makes more sense for him to be there, doesn't it?
I personally don't disagree with the idea of why congress cares about McCain's vote. But, I still disagree with this last bit. In today's technological age he doesn't have to physically be there to communicate his position. If he wanted to, he could debate the issue, mull it over with his advisors like he is anyway, and lay out where he stands on the issue from afar. Being physically present is not a requisite part of giving his opinion.

It could easily be said that putting himself physically there and not voicing his opinion (when he and everyone else knows why it matters) is only heightening the drama and is a ploy to get him more press (and press that has nothing to do with Palin sounding ridiculous with Couric last night or the Davis story that was picking up steam).
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