Dirty Rushing and Consequences

[DGTess]

Originally Posted by shadokat

I was talking to a friend yesterday who told me that on the campus where she advises, there is a huge dirty rushing issues with one of the groups. The group got in trouble last year, had to do a recruitment workshop and pay for it, but again, the group is back to their old ways.

I'm wondering if any of you have experienced this and what other sanctions may have/have not been effective.

What specific dirty rush tactics are you hearing about? Seems to me it's third-hand, and could be any of the things posters on this thread have assumed, or could be something else, or could be nothing.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by violetpretty

How would this be a problem? It sounds like your campus uses release figures. Release figures suggest a different number of PNMs for each chapter to invite back based on retention. Chapters are allowed to invite fewer than the suggested number, but they can't invite more. If a chapter wants to release more PNMs than their suggested number, that's their problem IMO, because it's a risk they're willing to take.

Exactly. Just because your "number" is zero, doesn't mean you actually want to accept everyone or can particularly when it comes down to grades.

[kathykd2005]

You have to click on the letter "A" above in the reply space. See, now I am writing in red.

[MaggieXi]

Originally Posted by Xylochick216

Fining isn't always effective. Some chapters at my alma mater would budget the fines into each year's budget because they knew they'd get their list to Panhellenic way too late. I forget what the fine was per hour, but they would hand in their list along with their fine at the same time.

The fining thing really worked at Elon when it came to turning lists in on time. However, when I was there when an actual rush infraction occured (XYZ was giving pnms beer at a bar in front of 4 rho chis -- their defense was that they didn't think the rho chis could report the infraction because the rho chis were dissafiliated...) Their consequence was they had to put on a "Panhellenic Spirit Workshop" as a new member workshop. I believe that XYZ group had to pay for the speaker to come and what not, so I guess it cost them a lot of money.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by MaggieXi

The fining thing really worked at Elon when it came to turning lists in on time. However, when I was there when an actual rush infraction occured (XYZ was giving pnms beer at a bar in front of 4 rho chis -- their defense was that they didn't think the rho chis could report the infraction because the rho chis were dissafiliated...) Their consequence was they had to put on a "Panhellenic Spirit Workshop" as a new member workshop. I believe that XYZ group had to pay for the speaker to come and what not, so I guess it cost them a lot of money.

I would have laughed in their faces if they said that to me. Isn't that one of the jobs of a Rho chi?

[AnchorAlumna]

Originally Posted by Allona

How...How do you use pink? it is a very pretty color.

And very hard to read. I wish KSUViolet nothing but the best, but wish she'd use a darker color, LOL!

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DGTess

What specific dirty rush tactics are you hearing about? Seems to me it's third-hand, and could be any of the things posters on this thread have assumed, or could be something else, or could be nothing.

I believe that shadokat was trying to be discreet about the specifics so as to not point out the campus where this was happening. I think she just wanted an idea of what sanctions work and what don't.

[Leslie Anne]

Originally Posted by Denise_DPhiE

All of the posts in this thread just emphasize the giant BIATCH attitude of some groups/campuses. Glad I do not deal with collegians b/c this stuff is ugly!

I'm with you, D. I've never even heard of these types of things going on. It's not that I don't believe that they do, it's just so different from how things were on my campus. Everyone got along just fine. I guess I should consider myself lucky in that regard.

I think someone said it's against the greenbook rules, but I think just taking away the chapter's right to continue with Recruitment that semester and entirely denying them a pledge class would do the trick. I mean if you can't "play fair" then you shouldn't be allowed to "play" at all. Obviously that wouldn't fly though, so it's not helpful. Sorry.

[twinkle555]

Recently, there was a rumor going around here about one of the houses losing their social priviledges (sp?) for next semester b/c during recruitment they gave a PNM a piece of jewelry ($$$) and a bid promise. I was shocked, but then again I have heard that this house has a budget for infractions b/c they get them so much. Who knows..

p.s- the girl that was promised a bid, went to a different house.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

I think someone said it's against the greenbook rules, but I think just taking away the chapter's right to continue with Recruitment that semester and entirely denying them a pledge class would do the trick.

It's not just the Green Book, it's a freedom of association issue.

They can be denied the right to participate in formal recruitment (as it's a Panhellenically run event) but they are still allowed to recruit members in other ways - COB, etc. Something like this can actually backfire, because it would allow the "penalized" group to hold whatever kind of parties they want, without rules on frills and time limits and such.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Something like this can actually backfire, because it would allow the "penalized" group to hold whatever kind of parties they want, without rules on frills and time limits and such.

Yeah - the only way that it's an actual penalty is if they are close to or above total, and taking quota would have allowed them to take more than total. Or if it's just a campus that's entirely unfriendly for COB.

[DGTess]

Originally Posted by twinkle555

Recently, there was a rumor going around here about one of the houses losing their social priviledges (sp?) for next semester b/c during recruitment they gave a PNM a piece of jewelry ($$$) and a bid promise. I was shocked, but then again I have heard that this house has a budget for infractions b/c they get them so much. Who knows..

p.s- the girl that was promised a bid, went to a different house.

Don't we teach our sisters - in every house - not to spread RUMORS?

[Leslie Anne]

Originally Posted by 33girl

It's not just the Green Book, it's a freedom of association issue.

They can be denied the right to participate in formal recruitment (as it's a Panhellenically run event) but they are still allowed to recruit members in other ways - COB, etc. Something like this can actually backfire, because it would allow the "penalized" group to hold whatever kind of parties they want, without rules on frills and time limits and such.

How would it allow a chapter to hold whatever kind of parties they want? I'm not trying to be argumentative. I honestly just don't get it. Aren't there rules for COB that would still apply?

[acuisla]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Exactly. Just because your "number" is zero, doesn't mean you actually want to accept everyone or can particularly when it comes down to grades.

Well, what it meant to a chapter I advised is that the NPC Area Rep *and* the release figure expert were calling me and the folks above me in the organization....and then my NPC Delegate called me....and all of them wanted to know why in the heck my chapter was cutting more women than the release figures said they were supposed to. And then there was the visit after recruitment....

Despite the fact that the chapter took quota +1 - the women happened to be really good recruiters and the chapter was consistently one of the "top 3" on campus, and so they could technically afford to be a little more picky.

That said, it was a calculated risk they ran, and I let them do it. But after the NPC backlash, I didn't let them do it again. Too much drama during a high-drama time of the year.

[acuisla]

Originally Posted by chitownxo

So, DEF complains to Panhellenic, and ABC eventually acknowledges it. Their punishment? Panhellenic had them become parade marshalls at the homecoming parade. Yup. They were able to wear letters and march in the parade promoting the sorority while waving to the crowd. Justice wasn't exactly served here.

Wow. Unbelievable.

Not trying to one-up here, yet this punishment (or lack of) sounds like something that happened at a school I currently advise. Except at this school, the GA was recommending the dirty rush techniques!!! Get this: organization XYZ came to the GA with small things to hand out to PNMs during the time right before recruitment would start that said "Rush XYZ!!" on them. Getting beyond the whole concept that they spent money to have stuff printed that says "rush" on it in this day and age, the fact that the GA talked to the other groups on campus recommending this practice to them just appalled me!!! Of course there was nothing done about this.

So what do you do when the GA is even letting stuff happen???