Dirty Rushing and Consequences

[Xylochick216]

Fining isn't always effective. Some chapters at my alma mater would budget the fines into each year's budget because they knew they'd get their list to Panhellenic way too late. I forget what the fine was per hour, but they would hand in their list along with their fine at the same time.

[AnatraAmore]

Even at my small school, we've run into problems with certain groups COB'ing over total - fines have not had an effect because those 4 or 5 women's dues make up by far the fines that are handed down. Panhellenic has recently started requiring chapters who have infractions to hold workshops in preparation for recruitment for all of the sororities which review the Green Book rules on recruitment. But it still hasn't helped...

[carnation]

In some cases, it's just not possible to undo the damage you've done to another sorority with merely a fine or a loss of socials. Some groups weigh the loss of socials against being able to demolish another sorority with rumors and plow straight ahead and do the latter, laughing all the way.

I'm thinking af a case at a Georgia school a few years back as told to me by another GCer. During recruitment, one group told PNMs awful and untrue things about their chief rival and the chief rivals made nowhere near quota. The offending group was very happy about the whole thing and apparently held parties off campus since they couldn't hold official parties. The punishment amounted to nothing and it took quite awhile for the other group to recover.

I'm not sure that Panhellenic Councils really have any means by which to punish severe infractions.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

What do you think would happen if PHC WAS allowed to limit the number of women taken in the next FR cycle?

[melongirl]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

What do you think would happen if PHC WAS allowed to limit the number of women taken in the next FR cycle?

In SOME (not all) I think the local Panhel's would be bogged down by accusations and trying to judiciate which claims were true and which were exaggereated.


At a school this fall, there was a sorority who received a huge number of rush infractions that in order to "pay up" for their infractions, the sorority would be on social probation for the next three years. The course of action is now in question, because it is punishing new member classes to and three years from now.

So is that setting a precedent if you are going to committ an infraction, do it big? You will only get the minimal infraction fine afterall...

[lauralaylin]

Originally Posted by carnation

I'm thinking af a case at a Georgia school a few years back as told to me by another GCer. During recruitment, one group told PNMs awful and untrue things about their chief rival and the chief rivals made nowhere near quota.

This happened at a school I won't name last year, leading one group to not make quota for the first time in many years. As there was no GA at the school, there was literally no punishment. The offending sorority said that the other did really bad things like circle the fat, and many pnm's believed it.

Most campuses where I've helped out don't really give out punishments. Sometimes they'll make a big deal out of little things (closing the door at pref when the rho chis are outside talking so loud that the ceremony is being disrupted), while usually when there really are infractions, they could care less because they can't prove anything.

[MaggieXi]

Originally Posted by Xylochick216

Fining isn't always effective. Some chapters at my alma mater would budget the fines into each year's budget because they knew they'd get their list to Panhellenic way too late. I forget what the fine was per hour, but they would hand in their list along with their fine at the same time.

The fining thing really worked at Elon when it came to turning lists in on time. However, when I was there when an actual rush infraction occured (XYZ was giving pnms beer at a bar in front of 4 rho chis -- their defense was that they didn't think the rho chis could report the infraction because the rho chis were dissafiliated...) Their consequence was they had to put on a "Panhellenic Spirit Workshop" as a new member workshop. I believe that XYZ group had to pay for the speaker to come and what not, so I guess it cost them a lot of money.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by MaggieXi

The fining thing really worked at Elon when it came to turning lists in on time. However, when I was there when an actual rush infraction occured (XYZ was giving pnms beer at a bar in front of 4 rho chis -- their defense was that they didn't think the rho chis could report the infraction because the rho chis were dissafiliated...) Their consequence was they had to put on a "Panhellenic Spirit Workshop" as a new member workshop. I believe that XYZ group had to pay for the speaker to come and what not, so I guess it cost them a lot of money.

I would have laughed in their faces if they said that to me. Isn't that one of the jobs of a Rho chi?

[MaggieXi]

Originally Posted by violetpretty

I would have laughed in their faces if they said that to me. Isn't that one of the jobs of a Rho chi?

You would think! Granted, the sorority member who was giving beer to the rushee was a new member who had just joined in the fall and may have not been aware of ALL the rules for formal recruitment, but you would have thought that what/who Rho Chis were would have been covered in their recruitment practice.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Zeta13Girl

I know at our campus the greek life advisor has discussed forbidding organizations that dirty rush from taking any new members at all for a year.

They aren't allowed to do this. The only way national orgs can be forbidden from taking pledges is if they are suspended or under discipline by their national headquarters.

The university can suspend them or discipline them, but if it's that severe of an offense the national HQ usually suspends them anyway, so the university's decision is moot. If the national HQ decides to continue to recognize the chapter, there's no way the university (especially a public one) can prevent students from joining.

If she tries this, she'll most likely be inviting a lawsuit from the sororities' headquarters.