Dirty Rushing

MaryPoppins17 · #1 11-06-2002, 06:46 PM

Hey All!

Dirty Rushing is a big problem on my campus. It hurts my organization the most. What can be done to ease the problem??

crystalline · #2 11-06-2002, 06:51 PM

What exactly are the organizations doing? I know that sometimes just hanging out with PNMs can be considered dirty rushing, but I think it kind of depends on the degree of what's being done as to what should be done to fix it.

MaryPoppins17 · #3 11-06-2002, 07:08 PM

Well last year we had the problem @ formal rush. We had 40 girls sign up to attend. On the first night of formal rush only 5 showed. Girls we told about quota and they had a better chance if they attended certain organization's open rush. Things like this happen. And thats just the start of what goes on.

NatalieCD · #4 11-06-2002, 08:08 PM

It happens at my campus always. Another sorority, lets say XYZ sees that we, KLO, are interested in another girl they will get her when we find out on bid day. they even go as far as telling the girls during their rush parties that they "really want you as a little sister" it sucks for my organization and im sure several others.

TKESweetheart · #5 11-06-2002, 08:38 PM

We didn't really dirty rush the girls. We never told lies about any opther group nor did we put down any group or anything like that. But our president anda few others in charge would be on the cell phone with our Rho CHis seconds after the girls left and be like "OK, so and so likes us. So and so is going XYZ, so and so is torn between us and ABC". ALso, one year we had our V.P> best friend and our treasurers little sister and a quadruple legacy all going through. They were on the phone very night with their corresponding person (sister friend leg) getting the 411 on what all the rushees said how the others groups parties were etc. I thought that was all way against the rules and protested in vain. But I was told that its OK b/c we already knew these people we just couldn't actually be hanging out with them. Although our VP and her best friend made our name tags at her house!!!!! HOW can that not be wrong. Of course they came into my group and were good girls (not totally awesome) but really good. But I always felt like we had stooped to someone elses level. Of course we had another group opn campus that actually had a budget for rush infraction fines. Sad sad sad.

MaryPoppins17 · #6 11-06-2002, 08:54 PM

But how do you put an end to it? I mean unless at least 2 other organizations see it then they can be called in on it. If 2 dont see it, it doesn't exist.

How can an organization stop it with out stumping to their level?

How can you have a fair rush for the potentials?

Kevin · #7 11-06-2002, 08:58 PM

Dirty rushing will not occur if there is mutual respect.

My way of seeing things is when it comes to rush if everyone else is breaking the rules you have 2 choices:

1. Beat 'em (turn them in)
2. Join 'em

You really shouldn't dwell on it long. Just choose one of those paths and go down it. People will continue to dirty rush if the punishment is not VERY severe. Think about it... If you're fined say $100 per rush infraction. If that infraction recruited you even ONE member... You're making money!

MaryPoppins17 · #8 11-06-2002, 09:06 PM

Is one member worth not holding your organization to the highest level of obligations to following the rules?

Or do you say screw it and be like everyone else?

Kevin · #9 11-06-2002, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MaryPoppins17
Is one member worth not holding your organization to the highest level of obligations to following the rules?

Or do you say screw it and be like everyone else?

Hell we take it like a champ... It really is pretty disenheartening sometimes when certain groups (which shall remain nameless) FLAGRANTLY violate rush rules. I remember this fall as IFC officers were inspecting our house during rush one of them started talking to a prospect that was at OUR party and convinced him to return to the IFC Officer's house's rush party.

It is a good feeling to know that you stand for something. It is VERY difficult when the problem is so widespread and accepted that those that follow the rules are actually in the IFC minority so if there are consequences they are tiny.

33girl · #10 11-07-2002, 12:02 AM

are the groups all pretty equal in size, or are they all over the map?

if you are having problems in formal, just say "screw it, run Old Yeller" and throw all your weight into COB.

Don't do things you know are wrong, like promising bids or buying the rushees stuff - if that is how you have to get the girls, they're probably not worth getting. The girl who comes to you after ABC, DEF, and GHI all throw every dirty rush tactic at her is the BEST you can get.

sweetie adpi · #11 11-08-2002, 10:59 PM

a BUDGET for RUSH INFRACTIONS?!?!? wow.... it's things like that that make me realize how small our little greek world really is and how different from other schools...

TKESweetheart · #12 11-09-2002, 12:17 PM

This was at a large state school, in a major city, with a relatively small greek system. 5 NPC groups a few MGLO, 3 or 4 BGLO's, 9 frats. The NPC groups total at the time was 50 or 60. Not very big for a huge state school. The greek system is growing-but its hard to attract people on a mostly commuter campus. We don't have houses either. When girls when through rush we cut the ones we didn't like (you had to be pretty bad for us to not like you) so there was lots of competition!We also get MANY MANY girls go through rush and say-I'm transfering to "Bigger better school" in a year or two. SO we have lots of turn-over in the chapters. We take juniors, seniors who ever b/c it's better to have a group of seniors than a groups of freshman who are leaving at any moment. At least the seniors will be there b/c they have to graduate!

fivepointcrown · #13 11-12-2002, 08:59 PM

Dirty rushing has gone way out of hand at the Universtiy I attend. We have a very large greek system, 10 sororitys, 10 Fraternities. 30% of our school is Greek. This past Rush was extremely bad. One house is known for dirty rushing in that they call the PNM's during the summer, and during formal rush, they tell them that their chapter is the best and they would be very unhappy if they went anything else, and so forth and so forth. They actually set aside money in their budget to pay for rush infractions that they know they will get. It is worth it to them because they always get a fabulous pledge class...even though the rest of the sororities hate them because of how dirty they play. They even go so far as to call their Rho Gammas and get inside info on the girls during rush to know if the girl is leaning towards them or another house. This year, I have to admit that almost every house on our campus played a little dirty, and I can tell its going to get worse as the years go by. The sad part is that the alums are the one who encourage it telling us that this is the way we get great girls...needless to say we did.

dphies00 · #14 11-13-2002, 12:29 AM

It is worth it to them because they always get a fabulous pledge class...even though the rest of the sororities hate them because of how dirty they play.

Well there's your answer there. I hate to say it but if your organization is suffering badly and the one sorority is succeeding so well... if you can't beat them join them. I mean, yeah yeah sororal relations and I love every sorority but if my house is shrinking rapidly and the dirty rushers grow, I'm gonna get my hands dirty. And another aspect - not to take away from your thunder, but when I was a freshmen, we viewed dirty rushing differently then we do now. COBing has caught on really big on campus - and consequently, what is viewed as 'dirty rushing' has changed. Now, mind you there are strict silence rules before formal recruitment, etc. But once is rush is over, its every girl for herself. And try to run for J Board of the IVP of Panhel position. And try to utilize your advisors to complain to Panhel Nationals.

MFC2002 · #15 11-13-2002, 06:29 PM

Are you a member of an NPC group? Are these NPC groups dirty rushing? If so, call your advisor and talk to her about it and have her contact your NPC delegate about the best way to approach the situation on your campus. Fotentimes the best way to really stop BAD dirty rushing problems is by having your Chapter President get the NPC area advisor involved.