Exchanging Canes

[JAPAN of 2005]

On my yard...we dont haven't any SGRho's; so when I see them I just absorb them! (smile), but in WV-MD-VA area, the Indi-Luv is shown esp. when we go on other yards...even further north in places like connecticut and mass. So it depends on the area and if the orgs have had any issues with each other in past...

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Pretty and Perfekt, and Best Designed,
This Indiana Luv will blow ya mind,
So stop all the hatin' and quit the stressin;
JUST BOW DOWN...to the Kane Konnection!

YO-YIP!

[NinjaPoodle]

Originally posted by Cain
It's bowling shoe ugly to me.......

Dayum, that's ugly....

[NinjaPoodle]

Originally posted by JAPAN of 2005
On my yard...we dont haven't any SGRho's; so when I see them I just absorb them! (smile),

YO-YIP!

Awwwww...I think I'm in Indi Luv...will you marry me?

Here in Cali, folks show the luv but when I traveled to one place down south, it got cold quick (brrrrrr). When I travel, I sometimes wear the para and in airports I've been stopped by Kappas and we conversated. It was nice. Just depends.

I know I am a good year late, but I was looking up on this KAPsi/SGRho connection history thing and I came across this conversation in Google. So, first I'll intRHOduce myself:

CorpRHOate America via Fuego
Ace Club
Aurora's Flames
Spring 2K6
Eta Alpha Chapter (Univ. of North Texas)
Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority, Inc.

Next, I would like to say hi to the SoRHOrs and the men of Kappa Alpha Psi. Now on to my post:

I have no problem with exchanging canes with Kappas. It's fun and it shows [other orgs] that there really is a visible connection between the two orgs. (We don't really have Indy Luv on my campus, but hey, I've gotten it from other schools, so I'll just assume there's something wrong with my Kappas lol) They show us how to twirl and bop (and shimmy), so I feel like it just expands my org's abilities: Not only do we step, but we step with CANES! and the crowd goes "ooooo-ahhhh" lol

Now, I would like to pose a question to whoever (Kappa preferred due to the fact that there tends to be a bias for my soRHOrs; for the most part, SGRhos seem to believe in a connection and Kappas don't) runs across this post: What is the connection? What have you heard as the reason behind us (SGRho) carrying the cane? I ask that because on another post, a Kappa said his oldheads (and I mean like 50s/60s pledgees) have never said anything about SGRho and Kappa Connection. But my Regional Syntaktes, who pledged in the 60s, was pledged with a cane and she was told the ole "They walked us home..." story. So, that early in the game and Kappas don't know about it? I don't know about that. Any ideas, historical facts, rumors, anything like that would be helpful. Oh and I just heard like 2 days ago some girl say that two of our founders dated. I find that kinda hard to believe (they were all, like 5+ years apart in age) BUT that's how every other org developed a connection, so have any of you heard of this? Thanks


Oh yeah and feel free to PM me, if you're uncomfy with sharing info out in the open like this. If it's not that serious, post away!


EEE-Yip!
EEE-Yo!

[proud2bSigma]

I dont think the bond is that tight in NYC. It looks as thought the Nupes up here are tight with the AKA's. I actually witnessed some sorors a little salty towards the Nupes saying that we should not "sweat" them. as a neo...Im confused. At a recent function we were not greeted as warmly (if at all) as the AKA's and Delta's by Kappas. I find that the Alphas have been more friendly toward us (hugs and all) I havent even spoke to a Nupe yet and I have been around them several times. :shrugs:

[PearlRuby]

I also live in the northeast and in my experience Greeks in general up here just aren't as friendly. But I've heard the opinion that northeasterners in general aren't as friendly, so maybe that's part of it? I don't know. Overall, in my experience greeks usually don't even acknowledge each other as even greek-to-greek, unless we know each other personally. When I was a neo, I smiled and spoke to every greek I encountered. After being looked at sideways almost every time I did that, I soon learned that friendliness between greeks is not the culture here. There have been exceptions to this of course, but overall this has been my experience.

Regarding the Indi-love concept, when I was brought in, I was taught, "Sigma has no brother fraternity", therefore I had no expectations whatsoever of any kind of connection with any frat. So when I encounter a Kappa I don't know, and as usual he doesn't speak, I'm not phased because I had no expectations that he would in the first place. However, if the rare occasion occurs when a Kappa, or any other greek, speaks or makes a friendly gesture, I of course return that.

[tld221]

Originally Posted by proud2bSigma

I dont think the bond is that tight in NYC. It looks as thought the Nupes up here are tight with the AKA's. I actually witnessed some sorors a little salty towards the Nupes saying that we should not "sweat" them. as a neo...Im confused. At a recent function we were not greeted as warmly (if at all) as the AKA's and Delta's by Kappas. I find that the Alphas have been more friendly toward us (hugs and all) I havent even spoke to a Nupe yet and I have been around them several times. :shrugs:

Originally Posted by PearlRuby

I also live in the northeast and in my experience Greeks in general up here just aren't as friendly. But I've heard the opinion that northeasterners in general aren't as friendly, so maybe that's part of it? I don't know. Overall, in my experience greeks usually don't even acknowledge each other as even greek-to-greek, unless we know each other personally. When I was a neo, I smiled and spoke to every greek I encountered. After being looked at sideways almost every time I did that, I soon learned that friendliness between greeks is not the culture here. There have been exceptions to this of course, but overall this has been my experience.

oh, as for the whole cane issue - i dont touch any Nupe's cane unless i know them and know they won't spazz about it. even them i'm a little cautious. as for my own soror's canes, i would hope that my own sorors would have no issue. i dont own canes anyway, but if i did, it would be no big deal. im just wondering why a Nupe would WANT to twirl an SGRho cane and vice versa. it's just not on my top 10 things to do.


Regarding the Indi-love concept, when I was brought in, I was taught, "Sigma has no brother fraternity", therefore I had no expectations whatsoever of any kind of connection with any frat. So when I encounter a Kappa I don't know, and as usual he doesn't speak, I'm not phased because I had no expectations that he would in the first place. However, if the rare occasion occurs when a Kappa, or any other greek, speaks or makes a friendly gesture, I of course return that.

co-signing with both sorors. i also was made in NYC with the double sided view on Indi-love--on one hand, we as Sigma woman stand on our own and dont depend on a brother-sister relationship with ANY frat. however, i was also taught to respect that indi-love where it is GIVEN.

so yes, i have grown into the mindset of "the Kappas arent sweating us (well, not in NYC anyway) so why should we sweat them?" i refuse to run after ANY greek like some groupie. if said Kappa is gonna show me love, then i will return it. if they wanna act brand new and flock after some other D9 sistergreek (NTTAWWT), they can do them and i can do me.

now some greeks may see that as Sigma women being XYZ or whatever you wanna call it, but whatever man. It's nice to have that bond, but we hardly need to rely on it.

ETA: and that whole "oh the Kappas used to walk the SGRhos home and use the canes as defense" story... ive been told that is hoohah. i mean, the universities are 1.5 hours apart by DRIVING... but i wasnt exactly around in 1922 to verify so... yeah.

[BlueReign]

Originally Posted by tld221

co-signing with both sorors. i also was made in NYC with the double sided view on Indi-love--on one hand, we as Sigma woman stand on our own and dont depend on a brother-sister relationship with ANY frat. however, i was also taught to respect that indi-love where it is GIVEN.

so yes, i have grown into the mindset of "the Kappas arent sweating us (well, not in NYC anyway) so why should we sweat them?" i refuse to run after ANY greek like some groupie. if said Kappa is gonna show me love, then i will return it. if they wanna act brand new and flock after some other D9 sistergreek (NTTAWWT), they can do them and i can do me.

now some greeks may see that as Sigma women being XYZ or whatever you wanna call it, but whatever man. It's nice to have that bond, but we hardly need to rely on it.

ETA: and that whole "oh the Kappas used to walk the SGRhos home and use the canes as defense" story... ive been told that is hoohah. i mean, the universities are 1.5 hours apart by DRIVING... but i wasnt exactly around in 1922 to verify so... yeah.

Soror, well said. When it is given, I return it. I used to think this was a regional thing but it is not cause I have encountered some who show love from various areas and some from the same areas don't. It depends on how they were taught. Other than that, I sure don't sweat it.

I'm tired of this topic coming up!

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by marquise1911

Thanx ladies... I really appreciate your feedback. I can understand your points, all of them. Oh yeah! Congrats NinjaPoodle!!! Keep at it. I've only seen one Sigma Lady twirl like (and better than some) a Nupe. Hopefully there will be many more. If you need more practice just ask, I'll happily let you borrow my cane.

Mine too.

[GRACED2BSGRHO]

Here in the STL area, on one of the yards we are definitely not experiencing the Indie Connection. We had a all greek step show, and some of the Bruh's were sitting in the area designated for greeks. My Sorhors and I went to take a seat and one of the Bruh's, told us that the section was for the Kappas, I thanked him politely for the information. Needless to say we sat down anyway, after I informed him we would be sitting in the section because we had the Indie Connection. Even here in the STL some bruh's are not showing the love. Actually the Ques showed more love than the bruh's did.


EE- Yip

[IncontRHOllable]

Originally Posted by GRACED2BSGRHO

Needless to say we sat down anyway, after I informed him we would be sitting in the section because we had the Indie Connection.
EE- Yip

Soror I know that's right and if they did not know now they know.

[BlueReign]

Originally Posted by IncontRHOllable

Soror I know that's right and if they did not know now they know.

I seriously did not want to respond to anymore comments in this thread, but since I am up late cause I'm taking some well deserved time off,

Then, yeah that's right, Soror cause they need to know!! I am tired of this topic like I said -- but at the same time I have encountered way too many Kappas FROM ALL OVER who are "sweating" ME and letting me know of that "bond" and "history". So since it does exist (and thinking about the history of the STATE OF INDIANA at that time, then yes, it would have to) then maybe it's up to "us" to inform them.

Just like they inform me when I'm just out doing ME and my SGRho thing...

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by proud2bSigma

I dont think the bond is that tight in NYC. It looks as thought the Nupes up here are tight with the AKA's. I actually witnessed some sorors a little salty towards the Nupes saying that we should not "sweat" them. as a neo...Im confused. At a recent function we were not greeted as warmly (if at all) as the AKA's and Delta's by Kappas. I find that the Alphas have been more friendly toward us (hugs and all) I havent even spoke to a Nupe yet and I have been around them several times. :shrugs:

Hey neo!

There is nothing to be confused about. Sigma Gamma Rho and Kappa Alpha Psi are not officially brother and sister anywhere; although on some campuses they have a close relationship and they may refer to one another as such (which is why we carry/step with canes and some of our sorors know how to twirl them). I'm from the North (Philly to be exact) and the kappas and sgrhos at my undergrad and in the area do not call each other brother and sister generally, although I have come across some Kappas that feel that way toward us. At my undergrad (and this was back in '93), we had sort of a love/hate relationship with the Kappas. One minute we couldn't stand each other and the next minute they would get mad at us for having too many parties with XYZ fraternity. They also didn't care if we took their canes, which we did any time we wanted to and there wasn't a problem other than our usual displays of love/hate. I think overall, we really cared about one another and respected the obvious connection we had.

My rule is...if you show me love, I'll show you love back, but I don't expect anything from anyone.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by BlueReign

I seriously did not want to respond to anymore comments in this thread, but since I am up late cause I'm taking some well deserved time off,

Then, yeah that's right, Soror cause they need to know!! I am tired of this topic like I said -- but at the same time I have encountered way too many Kappas FROM ALL OVER who are "sweating" ME and letting me know of that "bond" and "history". So since it does exist (and thinking about the history of the STATE OF INDIANA at that time, then yes, it would have to) then maybe it's up to "us" to inform them.

Just like they inform me when I'm just out doing ME and my SGRho thing...

Soror, if they're sweating you no matter where you go, you must be THEIR kind of attractive. What I've seen from some kappas (not all, but some and let's keep it real), is that if you're THEIR kind of attractive, all of a sudden the Indie Love becomes an excuse to get closer whether they really mean it or not. This is why they sweat AKA's on campuses where many of them fit their stereotypical image...they like those "Pretty" Girls!...just keepin' it real.

[NinjaPoodle]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

Soror, if they're sweating you no matter where you go, you must be THEIR kind of attractive. What I've seen from some kappas (not all, but some and let's keep it real), is that if you're THEIR kind of attractive, all of a sudden the Indie Love becomes an excuse to get closer whether they really mean it or not. This is why they sweat AKA's on campuses where many of them fit their stereotypical image...they like those "Pretty" Girls!...just keepin' it real.

Hmm, what I find is if the young lady is pretty, no matter what org she is in, they are going to sweat her.