Bristol Palin Claims Virginity Was "Stolen"

[BluPhire]

Don't know Bristol so any and everything I say is speculation at best.

I could look at what she is saying that if she was sober, she probably would not have lost her virginity at that time or situation.

Which is possible because we know that for some people alcohol removes inhibition. Does it mean date rape? I leave that to a court of law.

I would not say date rape, I would say regret because it was not in a way that if she was in a clearer mind she would have done.

It's life.

[Munchkin03]

I want to believe this but I can't.

If she was really date-raped by Levi, why would she wait until now to disclose it, when her book is conveniently coming out? Not only did they get engaged, they GOT BACK TOGETHER afterwards. Levi Johnston, while hot and dumb, is probably a douchebag. But a virginity stealer? I feel like this plays right into their constant playing the victim as well as a convenient repackaging of Bristol's narrative.

Dude, if you like sex, have it without apology. Don't hide behind a "stolen virginity" narrative because it makes real rape victims' experiences that much harder.

Did anyone hear about her beef with Meghan McCain? Bristol, finish high school and go to college and then we'll talk.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Did anyone hear about her beef with Meghan McCain? Bristol, finish high school and go to college and then we'll talk.

I didn't know.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...t-of-love.html

Yeah. Uh. Yeah. Meghan McCain would beat dat ass. LOL. I really don't think Bristol Palin has accomplished anything to write a memoir about.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I didn't know.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...t-of-love.html

Yeah. Uh. Yeah. Meghan McCain would beat dat ass. LOL. I really don't think Bristol Palin has accomplished anything to write a memoir about.

The Palins feel inferior to the McCains...no matter how much money they might get as a result of reality shows and speaking engagements, they're still PWT and deep down, they all know it. The McCains remind them of that without saying a word.

Another thing--she's saying that Levi has another kid? Wouldn't that have come out as well. The kid is allegedly named "Bentley," which is what they wanted to name their baby.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

The Palins feel inferior to the McCains...no matter how much money they might get as a result of reality shows and speaking engagements, they're still PWT and deep down, they all know it. The McCains remind them of that without saying a word.

Cringe. Deja vu.

Let the record show that Munchkin03 is saying this is how they are perceived by some white people. Munchkin03 isn't saying that there is truly a such thing as PWT or that nonwhites have the ability to place whites into such categories.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

If she was really date-raped by Levi, why would she wait until now to disclose it, when her book is conveniently coming out? Not only did they get engaged, they GOT BACK TOGETHER afterwards. Levi Johnston, while hot and dumb, is probably a douchebag. But a virginity stealer? I feel like this plays right into their constant playing the victim as well as a convenient repackaging of Bristol's narrative.

This is why I can't pass judgement either way, though. I stayed together with mine, for almost a year, and continued a sexual relationship with him. I did not acknowledge what happened to me until a few years later.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by agzg

This is why I can't pass judgement either way, though. I stayed together with mine, for almost a year, and continued a sexual relationship with him. I did not acknowledge what happened to me until a few years later.

I'm sorry you experienced that.

While I understand that things happen--both date rape and the less-than-ideal loss of virginity, I'm just a little skeptical about the source and the timing. Bristol has gone back and forth so much on the topic of abstinence, for one example, that it makes me think she's a puppet for her mother and her mother's handlers. The narrative that they're trying to create--that Bristol was not a willing participant in her sexuality--fits right in with the idea that abstinence is best.

If she had come forward with this years from now, it would be far more believable. But the fact that she's saying this in timing with her book?

[Drolefille]

Plenty of people reveal secrets when they release memoirs, Scott Brown's recounting of his own abuse is an example. Yeah there's publicity there, but there's also a level of honesty. She might be a lying liar who lies, but I'd rather fall on the side of believing her account, particularly when she's not calling for Levi's head on a platter in the process. She's not asking us to vilify him, the opposite in fact, so eh, why get worked up calling her a liar.

People were going to buy her book anyway, either for the trainwreck or because they OMG love the Palins or because they were curious. So don't buy it, if you don't want to pay for her baby's preschool, but eh, who cares ultimately.

[DrPhil]

I absolutely believe her account. I never disbelieved it. I just don't think her virginity was "stolen" unless she means the alcohol stole it; and she and Levi were both too inebriated, young, dumb, and full of cum to be having sex.

She is clear that she doesn't believe that Levi used alcohol to rape her. However, as she and her publicists very well know and has been stated in this thread, the alleged victim does not have to be aware of the status of victim for others to place them in that status. There's a reason why this story is the headline for her memoir after her beef with McCain. The same reason I now know Florence Henderson caught crabs and has a new book. Being honest and sharing is good for diaries but when you choose to write a public tell-all you are no longer just being honest with no expectation of some outcome.

Maybe Bristol Palin wants young ladies to learn from her mistakes. Maybe Bristol Palin wants to make some money. I certainly don't view her sharing the same as I view people like Sugar Ray Leonard who pulls no punches (pun intended) that what happened to him WAS abuse.

/just like the rest of you, I care enough to type in this thread about this

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

/just like the rest of you, I care enough to type in this thread about this

Yep, that's about as much care as I can muster.

I managed to post on facebook mocking Newt Gingrich so Bristol's got a ways to go before meeting that level of involvement.

[KSig RC]

This appears to be using the same definition of "stolen" that you might use to say the Yankees "stole" Babe Ruth from the Red Sox.

I mean this not to minimize the chance of actual sexual assault, but rather that the connotation outstrips denotation drastically. This tactic is, unfortunately, par for the course as far as political rhetoric goes ...