Bristol Palin Claims Virginity Was "Stolen"

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Cringe. Deja vu.

Did we have this discussion before?

I've always felt that, more so with other groups, working-class white people have the hardest time with wealthy white people as opposed to wealthy blacks, Latinos, or Asians. Granted, every group has examples of "crabs in the barrel syndrome," but this is a little different. I remember seeing poor white classmates and co-workers get ANGRY when they saw another white person in a nicer car, bigger house, etc. Other groups just tend to get jealous and keep it inside.

I saw a lot of this growing up and I see it less so now (frankly, I don't interact with too many working-class whites these days) and as soon as I read the things the Palins were saying about the McCains it all sounded mighty familiar.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Did we have this discussion before?

In the thread about the actor who married the young country singer-model. It is a fun thread.

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I've always felt that, more so with other groups, working-class white people have the hardest time with wealthy white people as opposed to wealthy blacks, Latinos, or Asians. Granted, every group has examples of "crabs in the barrel syndrome," but this is a little different. I remember seeing poor white classmates and co-workers get ANGRY when they saw another white person in a nicer car, bigger house, etc. Other groups just tend to get jealous and keep it inside.

I saw a lot of this growing up and I see it less so now (frankly, I don't interact with too many working-class whites these days) and as soon as I read the things the Palins were saying about the McCains it all sounded mighty familiar.

I see what you mean but I tend to see it as the other way around. The opinions of the Palins really don't matter. It's the opinions of those higher up that matter. The Palins have probably been made to feel inadequate and subpar. That isn't so much about the Palins being jealous but about what it takes to get in the Cool Kids' Club.

The Palins arguably and perhaps legitimately have some insecurities. They were hot shit in Alaska where they were considered higher ranking. They aren't so higher ranking outside of Alaska and when mingling with politicians and those of the upper 5% of the nation. The Palins were given a chance to kick it with the Cool Kids because of the intersection of white privilege with white woman privilege. Sarah Palin and The Palins aren't the only politicans with certain privileges and disadvantages working for and against them. They're just the topic of this thread.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

The Palins arguably and perhaps legitimately have some insecurities. They were hot shit in Alaska where they were considered higher ranking. They aren't so higher ranking outside of Alaska and when mingling with politicians and those of the upper 5% of the nation. The Palins were given a chance to kick it with the Cool Kids because of the intersection of white privilege with white woman privilege. Sarah Palin and The Palins aren't the only politicans with certain privileges and disadvantages working for and against them. They're just the topic of this thread.

I think they just stand out more because this is the first time in memory that there's been a potential First or Second Family that appeared so "rough around the edges." Yeah, there was Billy Carter and Roger Clinton, but they were obviously sidenotes. You can dress the Palins up in as many clothes from Nordstrom as you'd like but there's no denying what side of the tracks they're really from.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I think they just stand out more because this is the first time in memory that there's been a potential First or Second Family that appeared so "rough around the edges." Yeah, there was Billy Carter and Roger Clinton, but they were obviously sidenotes. You can dress the Palins up in as many clothes from Nordstrom as you'd like but there's no denying what side of the tracks they're really from.

It is both sad and amusing that Palin's "rags to riches" tale was shared for the last election. Did we need to know about the upgrading shopping sprees and speech lessons? No. She's not the first or the last politician to receive those. Yet that info was given to us (to make some of us laugh at the ridiculousness of it all) so people could see her as homegrown commonfolk who is an example of the American Dream and proof that politicians are here for the average American.

I see Palin's story as different than that of people like Bill Clinton (I always want to say and type George). Their rise to notoriety was not as shocking. Clinton had an educational and political background that wasn't too clown worthy. Yet he was homegrown enough for idiots to pretend he was the first Black president. He was playing instruments on the Arsenio Hall show and having some Black folks love him for no reason. He was white privileged enough, to need a less obvious tutor than Palin needed, yet average enough.

Bristol Palin's existence and her story is all within the context of Sarah Palin's rise to "fame" regardless of how people feel about Palin's politics.